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Valentine Pontifex · 03-03-2002, 06:31 PM

Here is a partial skeleton of an australopithicine from South Africa:

Kosh · 03-03-2002, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LordValentine:

I could go on for a long time.

I've noticed that preachers tend to go on for
a long time, continually restating their
assertions. It would seem that repition is the
best education method for Homo Cretinist
(not to be confused with their sub-species,
Homo Gullibleus

Writer@Large · 03-03-2002, 08:00 PM

Congrats, LordValentine. You have eraned this thread's honorary "Cretinist Overkill" worship smiley.

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--W@L

bluefugue · 03-03-2002, 08:38 PM

As with Patrick's "overkill" posts, these are educational for non-creationists as well. That robust australopithecine skull is magnificent.

As I recall, "Turkana Boy" was the subject of an e-mail debate between Richard Milton (author of "Shattering the Myths of Darwinism") and a scientist. I don't remember exactly what the allegation was... has it ever been claimed that Turkana boy is a fake of some sort, or is it just believed by creationists to be a deformed human?

[ March 03, 2002: Message edited by: IesusDomini ]

Quetzal · 03-03-2002, 10:08 PM

LordV: I second W@L's overkill smilie: <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

I would like to add that davidH seems to think only the dino's were effected by the K-T extinction. In fact, we see the erasure of just about the same ratio of mammals as everything else (i.e., 60-70% depending on who you ask). Every extant mammal genera took significant hits at the same time the dinos were cashing it in - and for the same reasons (obviously).

Valentine Pontifex · 03-04-2002, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by IesusDomini:
As with Patrick's "overkill" posts, these are educational for non-creationists as well. That robust australopithecine skull is magnificent.

As I recall, "Turkana Boy" was the subject of an e-mail debate between Richard Milton (author of "Shattering the Myths of Darwinism") and a scientist. I don't remember exactly what the allegation was... has it ever been claimed that Turkana boy is a fake of some sort, or is it just believed by creationists to be a deformed human?

The vast majority of creationist say that "Turkana Boy" is just what we would call a modern human. For Gish this would be a contradiction since it is very much like Peking and Java Man that he dismisses as "apes."
Jack Cuozzo, who is one of the more technically competent YECs dismisses Turkana Boy as an ape.
Hugh Ross, the OEC, even dismisses the Neandertals as apes.

nogods4me · 03-04-2002, 03:38 PM

Well you can lump me in with those creationists as well, since I dismiss we homo sapiens as apes.

Valentine Pontifex · 03-04-2002, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nogods4me:
Well you can lump me in with those creationists as well, since I dismiss we homo sapiens as apes.

I guess you are what they call in systematics a "lumper." :-)

So are humans Pan sapiens? :-)

nogods4me · 03-04-2002, 06:36 PM

Well, I'd certainly like to give the likes of Messrs Hovind, Ross, et. al a few lumps. Does that make me a lumper?

Valentine Pontifex · 03-05-2002, 06:31 PM

Might as well post a couple more fossils today.

Today's fossils come from Georgia. Not the state, but the country and former Soviet republic.
Dmanisi, Georgia has had some recent discoveries of Homo ergaster:

and

Notice that they so obviously related to humans and yet I have never seen anyone with skulls like that.

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bluefugue Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,427	As with Patrick's "overkill" posts, these are educational for non-creationists as well. That robust australopithecine skull is magnificent. As I recall, "Turkana Boy" was the subject of an e-mail debate between Richard Milton (author of "Shattering the Myths of Darwinism") and a scientist. I don't remember exactly what the allegation was... has it ever been claimed that Turkana boy is a fake of some sort, or is it just believed by creationists to be a deformed human? [ March 03, 2002: Message edited by: IesusDomini ]</p>

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03-03-2002, 06:31 PM	#21
Valentine Pontifex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Orion Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 3,092	Here is a partial skeleton of an australopithicine from South Africa:

03-03-2002, 08:00 PM	#23
Writer@Large Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 7,198	Congrats, LordValentine. You have eraned this thread's honorary "Cretinist Overkill" worship smiley. <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> --W@L

03-03-2002, 10:08 PM	#25
Quetzal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ecuador Posts: 738	LordV: I second W@L's overkill smilie: <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> I would like to add that davidH seems to think only the dino's were effected by the K-T extinction. In fact, we see the erasure of just about the same ratio of mammals as everything else (i.e., 60-70% depending on who you ask). Every extant mammal genera took significant hits at the same time the dinos were cashing it in - and for the same reasons (obviously).

03-04-2002, 03:38 PM	#27
nogods4me Contributor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 17,432	Well you can lump me in with those creationists as well, since I dismiss we homo sapiens as apes.

03-04-2002, 06:36 PM	#29
nogods4me Contributor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Posts: 17,432	Well, I'd certainly like to give the likes of Messrs Hovind, Ross, et. al a few lumps. Does that make me a lumper?

03-05-2002, 06:31 PM	#30
Valentine Pontifex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Orion Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 3,092	Might as well post a couple more fossils today. Today's fossils come from Georgia. Not the state, but the country and former Soviet republic. Dmanisi, Georgia has had some recent discoveries of Homo ergaster: and Notice that they so obviously related to humans and yet I have never seen anyone with skulls like that.

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