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Craig · 07-08-2003, 04:59 PM

Bush will win because the Democrats are a bunch of lamers this time around.

Where is the prominent Democratic party spokesperson pushing the fake Iraq documents? Where are all the questions from the leading Democrats in Congress?

They have no only dropped the ball, they kicked it off the cliff. I have no idea why they are not jumping on this stuff, I really don't. Just the other day I was having a conversation with a politically aware friend and even HE hadn't heard about the Iraq-Niger forgeries. The only reason I knew about it was from this board (until it made the CNN Headline News this week).

Note: I am saying this as a (frustrated) Democrat.

Ion · 07-08-2003, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Laci
You're not going to beat Bush.
Sorry.
You're not going to beat Bush.

If I am not going to beat Bush, then Laci do it for me.

And do it for U.S..

Because Bush is inept.

If you don't try to beat Bush, Laci, along with people concerned about democracy, then you are inept too.

Like Bush.

Zar · 07-08-2003, 06:24 PM

I think the Dems need to get "medieval" on Bush's ass.

Loren Pechtel · 07-08-2003, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monkeybot
How to beat Bush in 04?

With a tire iron...

If you're going to go that way, you'll probably need a TLAM. Perhaps the -N variant.

Jacey · 07-08-2003, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jolimont
Ask people how they like it that their 401k is worth peanuts and that their kids need to move back in with them because they can't find jobs.

Ask them if the federal tax breaks are really making any difference for them since State and local taxes are going up.

Who cares, Bush isn't getting a blowjob from an intern

(he's getting one from Ken Lay...........)

The SwampThing · 07-09-2003, 02:47 AM

You wanna know how to beat Bush in the elections?
Well, you beat him... with a big stick!! That�s how!!

Another infalible way to beat him, is to challenge him to a live debate on TV, where he can "inteligently" discuss his points of view. Please note the word "inteligently".

Bush�s usual answer to the Economy crisis:

"...err, hummm, Saddam is evil!! Evil, i tell you!!And Tax cuts are good! Saddam evil, tax cut good! Simple..."

Bush�s clever answer to the Education problems:

"Education?? ..uhh, <snif snif> well, i have learned that Saddam is evil... If people learn to read, they will pass a literacy test, and read about how evil Saddam really is!"

His insightfull answer to the national debt would be:

"My father is very rich! He will write a check, praise the Lord!! Have i told you that he thinks Saddam is evil??"

His intelligent response to the Energy crisis:

"Ah, that�s easy!! Tax cuts, and some more iraqi oil fields!"

His intelligent answer to the Unemployment problems:

"Well, i have a job... A good tax break to my rich friends will make them hire more people, thus less unemployment... Darn, i�m so clever! Ain�t i clever?"

His intelligent answer to the Crime rates rising:

"Well, uhh... err...we execute the criminals?!?"

His sharp answer to international crisis:

"Bring�em on!! Evil doers beware!!"

Bush�s response to Saddam�s possible Weapons of Mass Destruction:

"Saddam is evil! By God, we will bomb them back to the stone age!!"

Bush�s response to North Korea�s verified Weapons of Mass Destruction:

"...err, uhh, axis of evil...diplomacy...they can bomb us to the stone age...ehh, err... don�t want to end like Iraq... Next question!"

Bush�s explanation of world opinion about the US:

"You are just jealous of our power, you�re either with us or against us, bla bla bla, yadda yadda yadda..."

Bush�s explanation of why Saddam is still missing:

"Saddam is evil, i told ya�all!! He made evil pact with evil Allah to sabotage good God fearing americans!!"

And what about Osama Bin Laden?

"He�s evil too! Don�t ask questions or you be helping him! Don�t no one go question our methods, or our policies! If you do, you�ll be helping the terrorrists to attack America. Keep your mouth shut! Trust me! I know what�s best.I�m smart!"

Finally, Bush�s angle to win over the comming elections:

"My fellow americans, America needs more Tax cuts. America needs more wars, more prisons and electric chairs, and more guns! America needs another "axis of evil", because this one is wearing out... And we need more oil! Have i told you that we need more Tax cuts?? Well, we do! And i�m the man who will give it all to you!! Vote for me, God commands it! God bless America, and the PNAC.

Any doubts?

Zar · 07-09-2003, 04:07 AM

Swampthing,

You can't beat Bush on intellectual merit. His constituency loves his stupidity as if it were their own. Its his lack of intellectual merit that makes him so appealing to the many infantile and ignorant Americans out there. And, yes, I say infantile because these are the types who can't separate their own sense of alienation from the attempts to manipulate it. They need to suck at the teat of propaganda and cannot begin to fathom events on their own. Hence, their views collapse into a simplistic cult of personality.

cheetah · 07-09-2003, 09:15 AM

I think we should get a phone "poll" going. We should have tons of volunteers call people, disguised as impartial pollsters and ask loaded questions like, "Do you approve of Bush more or less since the admission by the Bush Administration that they did not provide true information about the WMD program in Iraq?" and "Do you approve of Bush more or less now that it has been shown that the tax cuts advocated for by his administrations have and will continue to have neutral to negative effects on our economy?" and stuff like that. That'd be awesome!!! And it would still let people draw their own conclusions. I said earlier on this thread that you can't be too confrontational and make people feel defensive or else they will only like Bush better.

The Nose · 07-09-2003, 10:39 AM

I couldn't advocate tricks or disguises even if I knew for a fact that the Republicans were using them. That's because A) it's not right and B) when you get caught, you've done your cause more harm than good. Honesty is the best policy. The Bush administration lied when they said they knew where Sadaam was stockpiling WMD. The nuclear material from Niger was either a deliberate lie or a foolish mistake--either way, the incident does not look good for Bush. The longer we beat them over the head with the truth, the more hollow their excuses sound. If we rail on about this for too long, there could be a backlash, but I suspect we'd wake up a lot of former apathetic nonvoters before then.

There are die-hard Bush-lovers with whom you can never reason. They are a lost cause. But there are many, many more people who usually do not vote. These are the people we need to reach in order to save our country.

Beating Bush--no small task--is still not enough. Even a Democratic president who pledged to reverse Bush's worst policies could not do it with a gridlocked or Republican-controlled Congress. I think the only way Democrats could win the presidency
and Congress in 2004 would be if Iraq and the economy hit the fan in the next several months.

If Bush wins in 2004, I can only hope that his lies and mistakes catch up to him during his second term. Sometimes a country has to hit rock bottom before it can climb back up.

Selsaral · 07-09-2003, 12:13 PM

It would help the democrats if they could get some attack dogs with high media exposure to do the brutal assaults on the Bush admin's policies, while the democratic candidates can keep their hands relatively clean. The republicans have such an incredible propoganda campaign (rush, ann coulter, liddy, faux news etc.), and the democrats need a similiar, thinly-veiled attack group.

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07-08-2003, 04:59 PM	#31
Craig Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,058	Bush will win because the Democrats are a bunch of lamers this time around. Where is the prominent Democratic party spokesperson pushing the fake Iraq documents? Where are all the questions from the leading Democrats in Congress? They have no only dropped the ball, they kicked it off the cliff. I have no idea why they are not jumping on this stuff, I really don't. Just the other day I was having a conversation with a politically aware friend and even HE hadn't heard about the Iraq-Niger forgeries. The only reason I knew about it was from this board (until it made the CNN Headline News this week). Note: I am saying this as a (frustrated) Democrat.

07-08-2003, 06:24 PM	#33
Zar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 3,477	I think the Dems need to get "medieval" on Bush's ass.

07-09-2003, 02:47 AM	#36
The SwampThing Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Portugal Posts: 249	You wanna know how to beat Bush in the elections? Well, you beat him... with a big stick!! That�s how!! Another infalible way to beat him, is to challenge him to a live debate on TV, where he can "inteligently" discuss his points of view. Please note the word "inteligently". Bush�s usual answer to the Economy crisis: "...err, hummm, Saddam is evil!! Evil, i tell you!!And Tax cuts are good! Saddam evil, tax cut good! Simple..." Bush�s clever answer to the Education problems: "Education?? ..uhh, <snif snif> well, i have learned that Saddam is evil... If people learn to read, they will pass a literacy test, and read about how evil Saddam really is!" His insightfull answer to the national debt would be: "My father is very rich! He will write a check, praise the Lord!! Have i told you that he thinks Saddam is evil??" His intelligent response to the Energy crisis: "Ah, that�s easy!! Tax cuts, and some more iraqi oil fields!" His intelligent answer to the Unemployment problems: "Well, i have a job... A good tax break to my rich friends will make them hire more people, thus less unemployment... Darn, i�m so clever! Ain�t i clever?" His intelligent answer to the Crime rates rising: "Well, uhh... err...we execute the criminals?!?" His sharp answer to international crisis: "Bring�em on!! Evil doers beware!!" Bush�s response to Saddam�s possible Weapons of Mass Destruction: "Saddam is evil! By God, we will bomb them back to the stone age!!" Bush�s response to North Korea�s verified Weapons of Mass Destruction: "...err, uhh, axis of evil...diplomacy...they can bomb us to the stone age...ehh, err... don�t want to end like Iraq... Next question!" Bush�s explanation of world opinion about the US: "You are just jealous of our power, you�re either with us or against us, bla bla bla, yadda yadda yadda..." Bush�s explanation of why Saddam is still missing: "Saddam is evil, i told ya�all!! He made evil pact with evil Allah to sabotage good God fearing americans!!" And what about Osama Bin Laden? "He�s evil too! Don�t ask questions or you be helping him! Don�t no one go question our methods, or our policies! If you do, you�ll be helping the terrorrists to attack America. Keep your mouth shut! Trust me! I know what�s best.I�m smart!" Finally, Bush�s angle to win over the comming elections: "My fellow americans, America needs more Tax cuts. America needs more wars, more prisons and electric chairs, and more guns! America needs another "axis of evil", because this one is wearing out... And we need more oil! Have i told you that we need more Tax cuts?? Well, we do! And i�m the man who will give it all to you!! Vote for me, God commands it! God bless America, and the PNAC. Any doubts?

07-09-2003, 04:07 AM	#37
Zar Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Chicago, IL USA Posts: 3,477	Swampthing, You can't beat Bush on intellectual merit. His constituency loves his stupidity as if it were their own. Its his lack of intellectual merit that makes him so appealing to the many infantile and ignorant Americans out there. And, yes, I say infantile because these are the types who can't separate their own sense of alienation from the attempts to manipulate it. They need to suck at the teat of propaganda and cannot begin to fathom events on their own. Hence, their views collapse into a simplistic cult of personality.

07-09-2003, 09:15 AM	#38
cheetah Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,118	I think we should get a phone "poll" going. We should have tons of volunteers call people, disguised as impartial pollsters and ask loaded questions like, "Do you approve of Bush more or less since the admission by the Bush Administration that they did not provide true information about the WMD program in Iraq?" and "Do you approve of Bush more or less now that it has been shown that the tax cuts advocated for by his administrations have and will continue to have neutral to negative effects on our economy?" and stuff like that. That'd be awesome!!! And it would still let people draw their own conclusions. I said earlier on this thread that you can't be too confrontational and make people feel defensive or else they will only like Bush better.

07-09-2003, 10:39 AM	#39
The Nose Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NC Posts: 361	I couldn't advocate tricks or disguises even if I knew for a fact that the Republicans were using them. That's because A) it's not right and B) when you get caught, you've done your cause more harm than good. Honesty is the best policy. The Bush administration lied when they said they knew where Sadaam was stockpiling WMD. The nuclear material from Niger was either a deliberate lie or a foolish mistake--either way, the incident does not look good for Bush. The longer we beat them over the head with the truth, the more hollow their excuses sound. If we rail on about this for too long, there could be a backlash, but I suspect we'd wake up a lot of former apathetic nonvoters before then. There are die-hard Bush-lovers with whom you can never reason. They are a lost cause. But there are many, many more people who usually do not vote. These are the people we need to reach in order to save our country. Beating Bush--no small task--is still not enough. Even a Democratic president who pledged to reverse Bush's worst policies could not do it with a gridlocked or Republican-controlled Congress. I think the only way Democrats could win the presidency and Congress in 2004 would be if Iraq and the economy hit the fan in the next several months. If Bush wins in 2004, I can only hope that his lies and mistakes catch up to him during his second term. Sometimes a country has to hit rock bottom before it can climb back up.

07-09-2003, 12:13 PM	#40
Selsaral Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, Michigan Posts: 3,095	It would help the democrats if they could get some attack dogs with high media exposure to do the brutal assaults on the Bush admin's policies, while the democratic candidates can keep their hands relatively clean. The republicans have such an incredible propoganda campaign (rush, ann coulter, liddy, faux news etc.), and the democrats need a similiar, thinly-veiled attack group.

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