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GaryP · 06-10-2002, 06:09 AM

I agree with S2;

I'm not familiar with the theological language, but doesn't the church claim that priests are on a direct line with the Big Guy? And if he is so omnipotent, why the heck can't he control these weak-willed priests? Doesn't he know how this will look?

tragic_pizza · 06-10-2002, 06:11 AM

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Originally posted by GaryP:
I agree with S2;

I'm not familiar with the theological language, but doesn't the church claim that priests are on a direct line with the Big Guy? And if he is so omnipotent, why the heck can't he control these weak-willed priests? Doesn't he know how this will look?

You're absolutely right. How dare the Almighty not make them into carefully controlled automatons!

S2Focus · 06-10-2002, 07:05 AM

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Originally posted by tragic_pizza:


You're absolutely right. How dare the Almighty not make them into carefully controlled automatons!

Hmmm.... So the Almighty got himself into a position where he could write the rules to ensure that he is *never* held accountable for anything that occurs on his watch. Nice work if you get it! Even Ken Lay doesn't have it this good!

[ June 10, 2002: Message edited by: S2Focus ]

GaryP · 06-10-2002, 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by tragic_pizza:


You're absolutely right. How dare the Almighty not make them into carefully controlled automatons!

tp-- I think there's a big difference between automatons and allowing his reps. on earth to be abusing kids. Even this Atheist can figure out that difference.

One of the last sane · 06-10-2002, 04:36 PM

Maybe they figure one molestation is okay because then no-one will believe the kid. Two, they have a problem, because the second one may step forward and say "Yeah, he did that to me, too".

PopeInTheWoods · 06-10-2002, 09:27 PM

This article, <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9255-2002Jun6.html" target="_blank">Why Didn't the Church Call the Cops?</a> by Charles Krauthammer, appeared in my Sunday paper. IMHO its title is the most disturbing question of the whole scandal, followed closely by "Why didn't the parents call the cops?". I've asked both questions but still haven't gotten a good answer....

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The very talk about whether a child-molesting priest should be defrocked for one strike or more is beside the point. What America wants to know is not how the Catholic leadership will discipline its clergy. That is its own business. Separation of church and state dictates that churches deal with ecclesiastical offenses -- whether sins or heresies or deviations of any kind -- by their own rules and strictures.

How the church treats sin is not a concern for non-Catholics. Of absolute concern for non-Catholics, however, is how the church treats crime -- whether it reports criminality occurring within its gates for adjudication and punishment by secular authorities. That is the test. It is a test not of faith but of citizenship.

Andy

tragic_pizza · 06-11-2002, 06:20 AM

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tp-- I think there's a big difference between automatons and allowing his reps. on earth to be abusing kids. Even this Atheist can figure out that difference.

I see your point, but have to protest. At what point does God become culpable for mankind's own bad choices? God didn't make the priests molest kids, any more than He made the terrorists fly into the WTC. The responsibility is upon the perpetrators, and upon the Church who hides their evil.

We are either creatures of free will or we are not. You cannot have it both ways.

Starspun · 06-11-2002, 07:36 AM

They should just ass rape god and get it over with. Just leave the children alone.

tragic_pizza · 06-11-2002, 07:59 AM

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They should just ass rape god and get it over with. Just leave the children alone.

Way to contribute to the discussion there. You don't have issues at all, do you?

Starspun · 06-11-2002, 10:13 AM

I think we all have issues with child molesters; especially if they are allowed to hide behind a power structure, in this case, religion.
From birth (usually) these kids are taught to trust the church and the priest. Especially in the catholic church with their rituals, one being confession. These kids are taken advantage of fully, and I will go out on a limb and say that most are to scared to talk because of the wrath of god that will befall them.

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06-10-2002, 06:09 AM	#21
GaryP Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lancaster, OH Posts: 1,792	I agree with S2; I'm not familiar with the theological language, but doesn't the church claim that priests are on a direct line with the Big Guy? And if he is so omnipotent, why the heck can't he control these weak-willed priests? Doesn't he know how this will look?

06-10-2002, 04:36 PM	#25
One of the last sane Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: hereabouts Posts: 734	Maybe they figure one molestation is okay because then no-one will believe the kid. Two, they have a problem, because the second one may step forward and say "Yeah, he did that to me, too".

06-11-2002, 07:36 AM	#28
Starspun Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 334	They should just ass rape god and get it over with. Just leave the children alone.

06-11-2002, 10:13 AM	#30
Starspun Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 334	I think we all have issues with child molesters; especially if they are allowed to hide behind a power structure, in this case, religion. From birth (usually) these kids are taught to trust the church and the priest. Especially in the catholic church with their rituals, one being confession. These kids are taken advantage of fully, and I will go out on a limb and say that most are to scared to talk because of the wrath of god that will befall them.

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