ohwilleke

I'm afraid that our religious Amos, is just about as clear as the lyrics of his spiritual antithesis, Tori Amos.

brighid

Amos -

Well Liana, your Catholics teacher were wrong and you are welcome to ignore me but you should pay attention to what I write.

You mean Catholic teachers can be wrong!! No - really??

1) Easter is not Jewish.

Correct – Easter – stemming from Ostara is pagan, specifically a Germanic goddess. The easter bunny being a fertility symbol, along with the decorating and hiding of eggs is very pagan. Yet another holiday Christianity usurped and attempted to sanitize because of it’s utter lack of originality. Surely, the one true God could have come up with a way to be UNIQUE and establish rights, festivals, feasts and holy days that had NO pagan influence! How weak of the one true God! Damn those pagan gods and goddesses, hounding him so much that he was forced to incorporate their right and practices into the Christian ones.

The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE.) a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similar "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [were] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." 5 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Similar Goddesses were known by other names in ancient cultures around the Mediterranean, and were celebrated in the springtime.

<a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter.htm" target="_blank">http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter.htm</a>

2) Passover is when the Christ child was spared.

Passover is the Jewish observance of their freedom from Egyptian slavery when the Christ child is alleged to have been spared centuries later – however the evidence is lacking in that respect, either for a mass exodus of Jewish slaves from Egypt of the killing of every 1st born child around 4 BC by Herod!

3) Passover sent the Hebrews into the promised land where they died nonetheless.

Oh Amos shame on you. There are a myriad of reasons why the Jews continued to die in the “promised land” even after their alleged liberation from Egypt. How terrible of mortal men to DIE in the promise land or any other land. Sure this must be a sign that Christianity is correct!

4) Passover is associated with unleavened bread which is equal to censorship of purgatory.

Well, perhaps with a Catholic interpretation that came centuries after the Passover feasts and festivals were observed would one be able to incorrectly say it is equal to the censorship of purgatory. Jews do not believe in purgatory and therefore they cannot censor that which they do not believe in. Also Passover is not strictly associated with unleavened bread – unless you are an uninformed Christian or Catholic – it is associated with freedom and unleavened bread is it’s primary ritualistic symbol used in ceremony. Chametz (leaven) is a symbol of pride (yeast rising and inflating like the over inflated ego) and is to be shunned!

Here is a good article for you to look over and gain a better understanding of the Jewish interpretation of their holiday: <a href="http://www.chabad.org/magazine/article.asp?AID=42009" target="_blank">http://www.chabad.org/magazine/article.asp?AID=42009</a>

Passover was originally a Canaanite agricultural festival held at the same time of year.

5) Easter is freedom from censorship in heaven.

Are you telling me that there is censorship in heaven?

6) Jews are awaiting their Easter event and do not recognize the example of Jesus

Jews do recognize the example of Jesus, they just don’t believe that he is the Messiah and as Jews, they were given some pretty strict rules from their God (so inconveniently the same God as Jesus) about how one could test whether or not a man was a true prophet or the Messiah. Seems that Jesus failed the test and it wasn’t until centuries later that he was “Christianized” and with the suppression of the Judaic faiths and an utter lack of understanding of those scriptures, some creative writing and suppression of divergent view points did he become an allegedly prophesied “Jewish” Messiah. 20 centuries later the Chosen people still don’t believe he is the Messiah!

Brighid

nixon

By the way, 4th of July is not a holiday. But Idependence Day is

Amos

Passover is not the Last Supper but may have been their last supper before they died. See the difference? With all respect (sorry), they were a long ways away from the Last Supper which never came for them.

Amos

Hello sullster, I am glad that you see the truth of my argument.

Ford Prefect

Passover is not the Last Supper but may have been their last supper before they died. See the difference?

Not really. By last supper I mean the last meal before Christ died which I’ve heard is called The Last Supper (as an actual title). Which last I looked was supposed to be the seder. At least that's how the legend I heard go’s.

With all respect (sorry), they were a long ways away from the Last Supper which never came for them.

Who? Jews? Well of course the Last Supper never came for us.

Also I was wondering if Matzo is purgatory, What's Maror? Elijah's tippling? The lamb shank? Those little Kosher chocolates with the jelly filling?

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Amos

Thanks Brighid and I know roughly what Jews believe. The point here is that just because Jews do not recognize the Ascention of Jesus into heaven that they cannot incorpotate the Easter event into their rituals. It is therefore that Passover can not be like Easter. Jews are futuristic and Catholics are followers of the example of Jesus (in other words, we are not lost).

Amos

The difference between the Last Supper and the last supper is that the Last Supper of Jesus was held in the upper room. The upper room signified the subconscious mind and it is true that the upper room was found to be well structured and in the right order. Seder is the unleavened bread to indicate the entry into the promised land.

Never do I argue that Jews cannot enter heaven and Seder supper is probably their Easter meal. I just fail to see the connection with Easter which cannot serve both the "sparing of the firstborn" and final meal before Crucifixion and subsequent Ascention.

Amos

Ivan a good beginning is always to assume that the protestants have it backwards. Like as if they are pre-metanoia in their way of thinking.

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Jonsey3333

Weren't Jesus' last words: "My Lord, my Lord, why have you forsaken me?"?

-Mike