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Majody · 07-29-2003, 03:38 PM

You know, if God truly is omni-benevolnet, he loves Satan, and he loves sin. O_o

EGGO · 07-29-2003, 07:44 PM

That's a new way of looking at it

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SignOfTheCross · 07-31-2003, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by shome42
So Satan and his demonds supposedly try to trick you into sinning, right?

Would Christians also agree that one's ability to resist trickery depends on one's intelligence?

Isn't it also true that one cannot substantially increase or decrease his or her intelligence; rather, it is something we are simply born and, as such, it is beyond our control.

Therefore, how can Christians, or God for that matter, fault someone for sinning if, in fact, they've been tricked into doing so by the devil? After all, they're ability to detect and resist such trickery depends on factors beyond their control.

Can we then conclude that people aren't always responsible for their sins?

Furthermore, how can we know whether or not we are being tricked by the devil? After all, maybe you've been tricked into "choosing" to do something.

Your arguement rests on a false assumption. Satan doesn't "trick" us into sinning.

Peace,
SOTC

Gawdawful · 07-31-2003, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by SignOfTheCross
Your arguement rests on a false assumption. Satan doesn't "trick" us into sinning.

Explain further. I've heard this Satan tricking people into sinning thing for most of my life, explain why that is not correct.

Warren in Oklahoma

shome42 · 07-31-2003, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by warrenly
Explain further. I've heard this Satan tricking people into sinning thing for most of my life, explain why that is not correct.

Ditto...I've heard that Satan and demons trick people into sinning throughout my 12 years of Catholic education.

Thor Q. Mada · 07-31-2003, 12:52 AM

If one looks at the history of organized religion, and provided that there is a god and a satan, a very strong case can be made that organized religion is in fact a creation of satan.

shome42 · 07-31-2003, 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by Thor Q. Mada
If one looks at the history of organized religion, and provided that there is a god and a satan, a very strong case can be made that organized religion is in fact a creation of satan.

Indeed! Catholicism certainly fits the bill.

I once had a very ballsy theology teacher in Cathlic school who taught us how the Catholic Church was NOTHING like what Jesus intended.

That teacher was my impetus for questioning religion.

SignOfTheCross · 07-31-2003, 06:01 AM

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Originally posted by warrenly
Explain further. I've heard this Satan tricking people into sinning thing for most of my life, explain why that is not correct.

Warren in Oklahoma

It seems you answer your own question. Sin is deliberate transgression against the religious or moral law. Thus if one has sinned without knowing they have sinned, God will not hold them responsible for the sin.

1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: �Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent .� [RP 17 # 12] Catechism of the Catholic Church

Peace,
SOTC

markfiend · 07-31-2003, 06:12 AM

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Originally posted by SignOfTheCross
Thus if one has sinned without knowing they have sinned, God will not hold them responsible for the sin.

So by telling people that something that they are doing is a sin (if they didn't already know) would send them to hell.

So wouldn't people be better off without proselytising Christians telling them that everything they enjoy is a sin?

SignOfTheCross · 07-31-2003, 06:20 AM

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Originally posted by markfiend
So by telling people that something that they are doing is a sin (if they didn't already know) would send them to hell.

So wouldn't people be better off without proselytising Christians telling them that everything they enjoy is a sin?

If you enjoy doing things you know are immoral, you will be held responsible for that sin.

Peace,
SOTC

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Majody Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Tx Posts: 26	You know, if God truly is omni-benevolnet, he loves Satan, and he loves sin. O_o

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