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HumanisTim · 05-10-2002, 07:12 PM

QUOTE]Originally posted by Atticus_Finch: [QB] Saved from eternal damnation and separation from God. Christians beleive that all who die without saving knowledge of Christ will go to hell. That is what you need to be saved from. >>>

This is this yet one more area where xtianity doesn't make sense. Many denominations believe that if your name isn't in the book of life. You will be cast into hell on judgement day. Who will be doing the judging, Why Jesus. So we need Jesus to save us from Jesus. Isn't that like a woman running form a potential rapist on the street. And then suddenly turning around and asking for him to help her?.

Anunnaki · 05-11-2002, 01:39 PM

I know some of us think it`s in bad taste to post private messages,but I see no good reason why this can`t be shared nor do I understand why this was private to begin with.

From a message from FastFalcon in response to the stars falling to Earth in Revelations:
"The "stars" John said are actually angels that fell with Satan, when he rebelled. you see, we Christians fight not against flesh, but against these fallen angels, known as demons. We fight them, not with guns and tanks (though I do have such imaginations) but with prayer and asking Jesus for help. "

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free12thinker · 05-11-2002, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anunnaki:
I know some of us think it`s in bad taste to post private messages,but I see no good reason why this can`t be shared nor do I understand why this was private to begin with.

From a message from FastFalcon in response to the stars falling to Earth in Revelations:
"The "stars" John said are actually angels that fell with Satan, when he rebelled. you see, we Christians fight not against flesh, but against these fallen angels, known as demons. We fight them, not with guns and tanks (though I do have such imaginations) but with prayer and asking Jesus for help. "

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FastFalcon seems to be a lot of quotes and very little substance. I wonder what he really thinks. Or if he really thinks for that matter.

Mike Rosoft · 05-13-2002, 05:15 AM

>Any person with HALF a brain would listen to people talking about Christ and
>would seek and find him and become saved. (emphasis moved)

Fortunately, I have a WHOLE brain! (This is why I don't accept religion.)

Mike Rosoft

Atticus_Finch · 05-13-2002, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rbochnermd:


What a horrible way to view oneself and humanity in general.

Looking at the actions of people in the world around us I don't know how one could have a high view of human nature.

Regards,

Finch

Talulah · 05-13-2002, 07:55 AM

And you STILL think that God made us?

Don't you think he could have done a better job?

Opera Nut · 05-13-2002, 09:05 AM

Remember that crap in Genesis about how women will suffer in childbirth? You know what the penalty for being a woman is in my case?
DEATH.

Yep that is right. Certain death in childbirth in ancient times, absolutely without a doubt.

I have one child who is now 16. I had to have a C-section surgery. That means I was sliced open from hip to hip to deliver the baby -- over a foot long incision(this is in case any body thinks that childbirth is not dangerous because it's "natural" ...puke...) I knew I would have it before hand. I am a small person (five foot 3) with small bones and narrow hips and could not deliver a normal baby, let alone the HUGE 8 pounder I had.

Before the advent of modern antiseptic technique and surgery, including C-sections, one third of women died in child birth. And an awful lot of infants. And that includes ancient times. Now isn't death a pretty serious penalty to pay for the accident of being born a woman and getting pregnant?

But then who said Xtianity had any logic to it at all. It doesn't.

Atticus_Finch · 05-13-2002, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Talulah:
And you STILL think that God made us?

Don't you think he could have done a better job?

He did a perfect job. However, He decided that we should have free will. We screwed it up from there.

Regards,

Finch

Talulah · 05-13-2002, 09:16 AM

Doncha mean 'he' screwed up?

Fastfalcon · 05-13-2002, 09:18 AM

Yep, we sure did screw it up. We've established the fact that we have done wrong. So now can you people come to Christ? Please?

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05-10-2002, 07:12 PM	#61
HumanisTim Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Reading,PA Posts: 233	QUOTE]Originally posted by Atticus_Finch: [QB] Saved from eternal damnation and separation from God. Christians beleive that all who die without saving knowledge of Christ will go to hell. That is what you need to be saved from. >>> This is this yet one more area where xtianity doesn't make sense. Many denominations believe that if your name isn't in the book of life. You will be cast into hell on judgement day. Who will be doing the judging, Why Jesus. So we need Jesus to save us from Jesus. Isn't that like a woman running form a potential rapist on the street. And then suddenly turning around and asking for him to help her?.

05-11-2002, 01:39 PM	#62
Anunnaki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: I`ve left and gone away Posts: 699	I know some of us think it`s in bad taste to post private messages,but I see no good reason why this can`t be shared nor do I understand why this was private to begin with. From a message from FastFalcon in response to the stars falling to Earth in Revelations: "The "stars" John said are actually angels that fell with Satan, when he rebelled. you see, we Christians fight not against flesh, but against these fallen angels, known as demons. We fight them, not with guns and tanks (though I do have such imaginations) but with prayer and asking Jesus for help. " <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

05-13-2002, 05:15 AM	#64
Mike Rosoft Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 965	>Any person with HALF a brain would listen to people talking about Christ and >would seek and find him and become saved. (emphasis moved) Fortunately, I have a WHOLE brain! (This is why I don't accept religion.) Mike Rosoft

05-13-2002, 07:55 AM	#66
Talulah Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Beautiful Colorado Posts: 682	And you STILL think that God made us? Don't you think he could have done a better job?

05-13-2002, 09:05 AM	#67
Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	Remember that crap in Genesis about how women will suffer in childbirth? You know what the penalty for being a woman is in my case? DEATH. Yep that is right. Certain death in childbirth in ancient times, absolutely without a doubt. I have one child who is now 16. I had to have a C-section surgery. That means I was sliced open from hip to hip to deliver the baby -- over a foot long incision(this is in case any body thinks that childbirth is not dangerous because it's "natural" ...puke...) I knew I would have it before hand. I am a small person (five foot 3) with small bones and narrow hips and could not deliver a normal baby, let alone the HUGE 8 pounder I had. Before the advent of modern antiseptic technique and surgery, including C-sections, one third of women died in child birth. And an awful lot of infants. And that includes ancient times. Now isn't death a pretty serious penalty to pay for the accident of being born a woman and getting pregnant? But then who said Xtianity had any logic to it at all. It doesn't.

05-13-2002, 09:16 AM	#69
Talulah Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Beautiful Colorado Posts: 682	Doncha mean 'he' screwed up?

05-13-2002, 09:18 AM	#70
Fastfalcon Regular Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Bermuda Posts: 114	Yep, we sure did screw it up. We've established the fact that we have done wrong. So now can you people come to Christ? Please?

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