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Sorry, Rick, I'm sure you can come up with some of your own angry, megalomaniacal internet rage rhetoric. By the way - did they announce it like they did with me? [ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: pangloss ]</p> |
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08-21-2002, 05:13 AM
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Odd how that works.... |
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08-21-2002, 05:28 AM
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 This ‘intelligent design’ you cannot discount... are you talking some sort of irreducible complexity à la Behe, or do you mean, simply, that organisms were intelligently designed, that there was a form of intelligence involved in the shaping of organic complexity? What, to you, does ID mean? Thanks, Oolon [ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: Oolon Colluphid ]</p> |
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08-21-2002, 05:29 AM
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Intriguing! Well-stated!, November 1, 1998 Reviewer: Rick L Pierson (see more about me) from Dothan, AL I have not made it past the 4th chapter yet and I would already recommend this book to anyone interested in seeing the wholes in evolutionists' statements. A sampling of the chapters I have read thus far include one on the problems concerning evoutionsts' theories for the origin of life and one on their definition of natural selection ("survival of the fittest", which is a tautology - NOTE: this author illustrates the "tautologistic" nature of this phrase more clearly than does DARWIN ON TRIAL). A common theme involves the way in which evolutionists have at their disposal a multitude of theories (mascarading as one theory) from which they can select the one that suits a particular instance. Take any one of these theories and it falls apart - but string them together so as to show only the valid parts of each and it gives the ILLUSION of being a single, cohesive theory. I can't wait to read the rest. See more about him: Excellent - if you actually understand Behe's statements April 12, 2000 ...Let's get the facts straight - Behe states that design can beconfidently detected without knowing the IDENTITY of the designer, theATTRIBUTES of the designer, or WHEN the designing took place (other ID proponents do the same). He also mentions at least twice in the book that ID is not Creationism. In fact: (1) Behe's statements do not require a 6 - 10,000 year old Earth. (2) Behe does not state that God was/is the designer (3) Behe does not propose a global flood as mentioned in Genesis (4) Behe does not state that radiometric dating processes give dates billions of years off (5) Behe does not reference the Bible or use it as a scientific reference (6) Behe does not start with the Bible as the truth, and then attempt to make science fit its claims...Behe states that the evidence for common descent is very convincing, and that flightless birds and blind cave-dwelling animals and whales and other animals with "vestigial" appendages and structures evolved from ancestors that had fully-functioning wings, eyes, hips, etc. He states that proteins can evolve through duplication mutations (followed by the two copies evolving separately) and by domain shuffling... Behe is not saying that evolution is not "a viable scientific theory", nor is Behe saying that evolution should "be abandoned". END Excellent! Shows that Science and God do not 'disagree' October 3, 1998 Was the universe created in 6 days or in 15 billion years? Both! This was the most fascinating knowledge I found in the book. Within the first few chapters, Schroeder explains how time dilation (time passing at a slower rate in a stronger gravitational field or when an object travels at a greater velocity) and Einstein's Theory of Relativity (the portion dealing with differences in observed phenomenon depending upon the frame of reference of the observer) allows BOTH answers to be correct. He then demonstrates how this dual mapping of time places events in the right time-slots when referencing either "our" time or "cosmological" time (that is, the timing of key events is synchronized whether using a 15-billion-year or a 6-day reference point). Schroeder also discusses the "Science of Free Will'. And what about Dinosaurs - don't they prove the Bible to be incorrect? No - read the book for the reasoning! Other interesting concepts presented include a "latent library" of genetic codes (genes appear to have been present in the first cells eventhough the feature for which they code did not appear until much later) and statistical anaylsis showing the unlikelyhood of certain forms of evolution. Finally, it is worth noting that Dr. Shroeder has credentials that ensure the reader that the information being presented is of high quality. As is so often the case, it appears that the 'skepticism' in unidirectional... Now, Rick will launch into a tirade mentioning his other reviews - like thge ones that were not so praising of Denton for example. Whatever. [ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: pz ]</p> |
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08-21-2002, 05:37 AM
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 The usual "I'm always right, and if you don't believe me, you're a @#%$$^#@^%%@$!" fest.... Go back to ARN.... |
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08-21-2002, 05:40 AM
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Yes, 'fair' moderation would be nice over there, wouldn't it? [ August 21, 2002: Message edited by: pangloss ]</p> |
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08-21-2002, 05:42 AM
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By the way, Rick?
Can you tell me which of these is random and which is not? CAAATCTTTTTCTTTCCTTTCTTATTCAACTTTTATTTTAA AATTCCCTCCCCTCCTGTGTGTGTGTGTGTGTGTGTTTTTA |
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08-21-2002, 05:47 AM
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Easier to 'win' that way, eh Ricky? |
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08-21-2002, 06:29 AM
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08-21-2002, 06:44 AM
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If I weren't so new at moderating that my cape was still being taken in at the tailor's, this volley of petty "nanny-nanny-boo-boos" at DNAUnion would be sufficient to motivate me to close this topic. Back off before a moderator more confident in the exercise of his or her vast powers notices. |
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