Automaton

DNAunion: No, from an ape-like ancestor, as we will point out for the 18 billionth time. Oolon merely chose his words poorly. And how are we to "fake" a transitional series with "carefully chosen photographs"? Please elaborate. This phrase doesn't make sense to me.

Oolon Colluphid

Nope, sorry, those three hours between your posts (which were between 5 and 8 in the morning here in the UK) were, strangely enough, taken up with rather more mundane but important matters.

Erm, is this a surprise?

I thought you were joking, but since you posted it a second time, and again with no smilies to indicate humour, I have to assume not.

No, I’m not "claiming humans evolved from apes". I am stating as fact that humans ARE apes. With an evolutionary history. As indicated by countless fossils, amongst many lines of evidence.

Huh?

Erm, with photographs of chronologically ordered (except A... at a certain nit-picker ) fossils?

(A) Pan troglodytes, chimpanzee, modern
(B) Australopithecus africanus, STS 5, 2.6 My
(C) Australopithecus africanus, STS 71, 2.5 My
(D) Homo habilis, KNM -ER 1813, 1.9 My
(E) Homo habilis, OH24, 1.8 My
(F) Homo ergaster (late H. erectus), KNM -ER 3733, 1.75 My
(G) Homo heidelbergensis, "Rhodesia man," 300,000 - 125,000 y
(H) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Ferrassie 1, 70,000 y
(I) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Chappelle-aux-Saints, 60,000 y
(J) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, Le Moustier, 45,000 y
(K) Homo sapiens sapiens, Cro-Magnon I, 30,000 y
(L) Homo sapiens sapiens, modern

What’s fake about that? The fossils? Are the pictures doctored?

The caveat about them is that not all of these creatures are thought to be directly ancestral to modern humans, though each example is debateable (eg the Neaderthals). The point of that series is that there are no 'missing links'. And these are just a small sample of the fossils.

Any time you want to go into more detail, just ask [rolls up sleeves]

TTFN, Oolon

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Oolon Colluphid

How so, unless one is stupid enough to think we actually evolved from modern chimpanzees? Maybe I was wrong in assuming that level of intelligence. Asking for a dividing line between the 'ape' ones and the 'human' ones is perfectly well worded, since evolution states that we are apes, and creationists think there is a line to be drawn between the two.

Oolon

Automaton

Yes, but there was some confusion so perhaps more elaboration was needed to explain that evolution does NOT state "we came from apes". Sorry.

Oolon Colluphid

Fair enough, sorry too We've been through this so many times, it's easy to forget we've got to start from scratch every time

Oolon

faded_Glory

To once again quote my colleague <a href="http://www.glenn.morton.btinternet.co.uk/geo.htm" target="_blank"> Glenn Morton </a>(and no, I am not his sock puppet ):

We will now examine the strata that form the entire geological column which is found in North Dakota...

... followed by an exhaustive list of 15,000 ft. of rock, dating from Precambrian to Recent, as demonstrated in boreholes.

Mind you, even within this wonderfully complete column there is evidence for intermittent erosion (eg. karstification, channeling and the like). So, I guess a creationist could claim that even this column is not 'complete'. But then, why we would need to have a location on Earth that has seen non-stop deposition and never any uplift or erosion throughout geological history in order to believe in an Old Earth is, once more, a mystery to me

fG

big d

Automation: Can you give me any references to prove this (some mountain ranges with no marine fossils), it would be great to thump Mr Preacher with!

Oolon Colluphid

I supose it depends on what you call a mountain range, but I'd be surprised if the Hawaiian Islands have any, since they are volcanic and 'only' a few million years old.

Oolon

Answerer

Well guys, the comments posted by the christian was funny indeed. Now, there is a thing that I will like to ask which is, do all the christians here in this forum think before they post?

Coragyps

The Wichita Mountains in SW Oklahoma probably have none, as all that's left of them (above ground, at least) is Precambrian granite cores.