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MadMordigan · 03-20-2002, 10:02 AM

Don't forget the children of U.S. citizens born abroad.

What about the children of US citizens board a man?

03-20-2002, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by Samhain:


ooOOooOOoo...That's a good one! Yea, so, I'm curious, would the same go for a child whose parents were "saved"? Why shouldn't this be true if it is true through marriage, I mean children, that's blood ties to the Xtian parents and all...

Oh, another thing, this may sound like a ridiculous question, Ivan, because it's probably the case, it seems obvious. Is your screen name IvanK taken from Dostoyevsky's
The Brothers Karamazov?

I don't think you are on the same wave length as Ivan because he meant just the opposite of what you highlighted.

Amos also does not believe that Ivan gets in even if he is named after Mitja, married to his Catholic wife or never cheats on her.

IvanK · 03-20-2002, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Samhain:
Oh, another thing, this may sound like a ridiculous question, Ivan, because it's probably the case, it seems obvious. Is your screen name IvanK taken from Dostoyevsky's
The Brothers Karamazov?

A gold star and a

for you me lad.

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Originally posted by Amos:
Amos also does not believe that Ivan gets in even if he is named after Mitja, married to his Catholic wife or never cheats on her.

Well then as I always say, heaven for the climate, hell for the company.

Samhain · 03-20-2002, 11:22 AM

Look mommy, I gotta gold star...

Well, I liked Rebellion and The Grand Inquisitor a bit too much, every time I hear "Ivan" I think of it... <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

Samhain · 03-20-2002, 11:33 AM

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Originally posted by Amos:


I don't think you are on the same wave length as Ivan because he meant just the opposite of what you highlighted.

Amos also does not believe that Ivan gets in even if he is named after Mitja, married to his Catholic wife or never cheats on her.

Yes, I got the impression that he didn't think this was the case. I'm curious for an answer from someone who believes that marriage can bond one to heaven in their spouse is a xtian. In other words, if this is to be considered true, would it also extend to their children?

03-20-2002, 01:21 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Samhain:
[QB]

If that was true God would have grandchildren and many wives.

sullster · 03-20-2002, 01:57 PM

The priests used to make the person who was catholic and married a heathen, sign a document saying they would do all they could to convert the damned heathen spouse to the true faith. I infer from this medieval pratice that they don't consider the spouse "saved". Thus Amos seems right about the attitudes of his medieval cult.

Nowadays, the more sensitive priest just pushes the document before the couple and makes signing it an "option". Not signing, must make you suspect and a candidate for 27.5 years in purgatory, unless you sent 7599 Dollars to Rome, in which you only recieve 23.8 years. Just joking, Amos. Or does that much money only get your purgatory reduced by 1 year?

IvanK · 03-21-2002, 07:11 AM

The Catholic priest who married us knew I was an atheist, though he said I "called myself" an atheist. In our conversation he advised my then-fiancee to set a good example for me. If there had been the possibility of children I would have had to promise not to interfere with their religious upbringing, but there wasn't so I didn't.

03-21-2002, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by IvanK:
The Catholic priest who married us knew I was an atheist, though he said I "called myself" an atheist. In our conversation he advised my then-fiancee to set a good example for me. If there had been the possibility of children I would have had to promise not to interfere with their religious upbringing, but there wasn't so I didn't.

He was a wise priest but the example he set could become a precedent and problematic in the minds of others. Notice, not for the Church but in the minds of others.

03-21-2002, 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by sullster:
Not signing, must make you suspect and a candidate for 27.5 years in purgatory, unless you sent 7599 Dollars to Rome, in which you only recieve 23.8 years. Just joking, Amos. Or does that much money only get your purgatory reduced by 1 year?

I got a feeling indulgences are going up soon.

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03-20-2002, 10:02 AM	#11
MadMordigan Beloved Deceased Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 2,704	Don't forget the children of U.S. citizens born abroad. What about the children of US citizens board a man?

03-20-2002, 11:22 AM	#14
Samhain Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,735	Look mommy, I gotta gold star... Well, I liked Rebellion and The Grand Inquisitor a bit too much, every time I hear "Ivan" I think of it... <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

03-20-2002, 01:21 PM	#16
Amos Guest Posts: n/a	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Samhain: [QB] If that was true God would have grandchildren and many wives.

03-20-2002, 01:57 PM	#17
sullster Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: North of Boston Posts: 1,392	The priests used to make the person who was catholic and married a heathen, sign a document saying they would do all they could to convert the damned heathen spouse to the true faith. I infer from this medieval pratice that they don't consider the spouse "saved". Thus Amos seems right about the attitudes of his medieval cult. Nowadays, the more sensitive priest just pushes the document before the couple and makes signing it an "option". Not signing, must make you suspect and a candidate for 27.5 years in purgatory, unless you sent 7599 Dollars to Rome, in which you only recieve 23.8 years. Just joking, Amos. Or does that much money only get your purgatory reduced by 1 year?

03-21-2002, 07:11 AM	#18
IvanK Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 2,016	The Catholic priest who married us knew I was an atheist, though he said I "called myself" an atheist. In our conversation he advised my then-fiancee to set a good example for me. If there had been the possibility of children I would have had to promise not to interfere with their religious upbringing, but there wasn't so I didn't.

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