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Sabine Grant · 02-07-2003, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by ybnormal
Originally posted by Sabine Grant
In any case NONE of us knows what the after death is like.

Once again, I request in a nice manner, that believers and xians STOP including me in your belief systems, for your own, selfish feel-good reasons.

I KNOW EXACTLY what the after death is like.

No previous experience to relate to.

Go look at some dead things. (anonymous, to my knowledge)

Really ybnormal... please share with us what you discovered as you died and came back to life.... that is the only way you could pertain to know if there is any level of consciousness after death or none whatsoever.
Here is another " I detain the absolute truth" statement on your part which to me is as negative as the " absolute truth" statement from a fundie.

Sabine Grant · 02-07-2003, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by pz
When you turn off a lamp, do you also assume that the 'spirit of the light bulb' goes to a happy home in the sky?

Do you assume that energy ceases because you cannot see it anylonger?

Sabine Grant · 02-07-2003, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by Mageth
Originally posted by Sabine Grant:

In any case NONE of us knows what the after death is like.
No previous experience to relate to.

How about "before birth"?

Before conception or before birth ?

ybnormal · 02-07-2003, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by Sabine Grant
Really ybnormal... please share with us what you discovered as you died and came back to life.... that is the only way you could pertain to know if there is any level of consciousness after death or none whatsoever.

So, uh, you're saying that we should keep lugging grandma to the dinner table just in case she's still conscious and hungry, rather than burying her out back beside grandpa? Or should we maybe dig him up and put the two of'em in bed just in case they're both still conscious and horny?

IOW, please don't bother me with all that hocus pocus mischief... at least until you can link me to even the tiniest of tiny molecule of evidence to support that fantasy world. Until you can do that, I have no problem stating that I KNOW EXACTLY what the after death is like. I've seen enough death to make that particular personal decision for myself, with NO uncertainties.

Here is another " I detain the absolute truth" statement on your part which to me is as negative as the " absolute truth" statement from a fundie.

So, uh, what's your point? That I make negative statements? OK! Sabine, I'm old enough now and experienced enough now that there's little difference between my common sense and absolute truth, but I do know the difference because I do know my limits.

Now, the first time I SEE a dead maggot-filled animal get up and take a leak, I'll maybe reconsider that "absolute truth" thingy and get as spooked as you folks get over absolutely no truth at all, but until that time Sabine, until that time...

Sabine Grant · 02-07-2003, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by ybnormal
Originally posted by Sabine Grant
Really ybnormal... please share with us what you discovered as you died and came back to life.... that is the only way you could pertain to know if there is any level of consciousness after death or none whatsoever.

So, uh, you're saying that we should keep lugging grandma to the dinner table just in case she's still conscious and hungry, rather than burying her out back beside grandpa? Or should we maybe dig him up and put the two of'em in bed just in case they're both still conscious and horny?

IOW, please don't bother me with all that hocus pocus mischief... at least until you can link me to even the tiniest of tiny molecule of evidence to support that fantasy world. Until you can do that, I have no problem stating that I KNOW EXACTLY what the after death is like. I've seen enough death to make that particular personal decision for myself, with NO uncertainties.

Here is another " I detain the absolute truth" statement on your part which to me is as negative as the " absolute truth" statement from a fundie.

So, uh, what's your point? That I make negative statements? OK! Sabine, I'm old enough now and experienced enough now that there's little difference between my common sense and absolute truth, but I do know the difference because I do know my limits.

Now, the first time I SEE a dead maggot-filled animal get up and take a leak, I'll maybe reconsider that "absolute truth" thingy and get as spooked as you folks get over absolutely no truth at all, but until that time Sabine, until that time...

You are denying the possibility of any state of consciousness. I can see that it is related to you believing that the mind operates soly within a physical body. I do not.

" as you folks"...it appears that you have a hard time accepting different opinions even if presented as moderatly as I have.

My point is that the minute anyone pertains to detain " the absolute truth" they remove themselves from the possibility of gaining any further knowledge. Which does not quite fit the claim of being led by reason and logic. But what can I expect from anyone who states that " I am old enough now and experienced enough now ". I guess you have reached your limits indeed and growth and acquiring more knowledge are "now" irrelevent.

Have you really acquired knowledge of all things? IMO it is prudent to leave room for alternatives when it comes to the possible existence of a reality which none of us can percieve today.
Believe in the oblivion and claim it as " absolute truth". I will remain prudent and claim that we have yet to have knowledge of all things. Even as we feel we are old enough and experienced enough.

Who was the wise man who said " I know that I do not know anything" ?

lpetrich · 02-08-2003, 12:13 AM

Astronaut Kalpana Chawla had done one thing that many Hindus consider virtuous: she was a vegetarian. And she insisted on vegetarian food for herself on her mission.

Ilan Ramon, though a secular Jew, took along kosher food and consulted with some Rabbis on how to observe the Jewish Sabbath.

What counts as every "seventh day" in low-earth orbit? Every seventh orbit? Every seventh period of wakefulness?

Each orbit produces an evening and a morning, which would argue for orbits. However, a low earth orbit is once every ~90 minutes, making a "seventh day" every 10.5 hours.

Sabine Grant · 02-08-2003, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by lpetrich
Astronaut Kalpana Chawla had done one thing that many Hindus consider virtuous: she was a vegetarian. And she insisted on vegetarian food for herself on her mission.

Ilan Ramon, though a secular Jew, took along kosher food and consulted with some Rabbis on how to observe the Jewish Sabbath.

What counts as every "seventh day" in low-earth orbit? Every seventh orbit? Every seventh period of wakefulness?

Each orbit produces an evening and a morning, which would argue for orbits. However, a low earth orbit is once every ~90 minutes, making a "seventh day" every 10.5 hours.

Hi Ipetrich... your comments made me think that in the face of a tragedy all those details become irrelevent. Those folks have the commonness now to be missed and mourned by loved ones.

02-08-2003, 08:08 PM

They've been showing the Columbia memorial service on C-Span tonight, and it is absolutely dripping with religious nonsense. The chaplains made several references to our "lord" Jesus Christ and went on and on about "god's glory" and "power." I'm sure that the families of the Hindu and Jewish astronauts were just thrilled to hear this crap.

openeyes · 02-08-2003, 09:08 PM

Shows once again the arrogance of the Christian mindset in the good ol' USA.

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02-07-2003, 10:00 PM	#114
ybnormal Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 430	Originally posted by Sabine Grant Really ybnormal... please share with us what you discovered as you died and came back to life.... that is the only way you could pertain to know if there is any level of consciousness after death or none whatsoever. So, uh, you're saying that we should keep lugging grandma to the dinner table just in case she's still conscious and hungry, rather than burying her out back beside grandpa? Or should we maybe dig him up and put the two of'em in bed just in case they're both still conscious and horny? IOW, please don't bother me with all that hocus pocus mischief... at least until you can link me to even the tiniest of tiny molecule of evidence to support that fantasy world. Until you can do that, I have no problem stating that I KNOW EXACTLY what the after death is like. I've seen enough death to make that particular personal decision for myself, with NO uncertainties. Here is another " I detain the absolute truth" statement on your part which to me is as negative as the " absolute truth" statement from a fundie. So, uh, what's your point? That I make negative statements? OK! Sabine, I'm old enough now and experienced enough now that there's little difference between my common sense and absolute truth, but I do know the difference because I do know my limits. Now, the first time I SEE a dead maggot-filled animal get up and take a leak, I'll maybe reconsider that "absolute truth" thingy and get as spooked as you folks get over absolutely no truth at all, but until that time Sabine, until that time...

02-08-2003, 12:13 AM	#116
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	Astronaut Kalpana Chawla had done one thing that many Hindus consider virtuous: she was a vegetarian. And she insisted on vegetarian food for herself on her mission. Ilan Ramon, though a secular Jew, took along kosher food and consulted with some Rabbis on how to observe the Jewish Sabbath. What counts as every "seventh day" in low-earth orbit? Every seventh orbit? Every seventh period of wakefulness? Each orbit produces an evening and a morning, which would argue for orbits. However, a low earth orbit is once every ~90 minutes, making a "seventh day" every 10.5 hours.

02-08-2003, 08:08 PM	#118
atheist_in_foxhole Guest Posts: n/a	They've been showing the Columbia memorial service on C-Span tonight, and it is absolutely dripping with religious nonsense. The chaplains made several references to our "lord" Jesus Christ and went on and on about "god's glory" and "power." I'm sure that the families of the Hindu and Jewish astronauts were just thrilled to hear this crap.

02-08-2003, 09:08 PM	#119
openeyes Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,215	Shows once again the arrogance of the Christian mindset in the good ol' USA.

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