seebs

I don't think it's the division which causes us to lash out; I think it's arrogance. Not to say I don't have the same problem sometimes.

Birdsmgp

... I wasn't saying it had to be you. What I wanted to say was there seemed to be a lot of resemablence to something I am recalling that happened in my life. And if it was Badfish or not, that it still seemed like a lot of resembalence between this guy and Badfish. He didn't actually force it on anyone. He was clever to get any of us to ask and say things leading to his... (Ready to answer, after he got us into it like a trap kind of thing.). I'm also kind of noticeing this as the time, ... (When like I said...) ... that I began becoming Agnostic from when I was deeply involved in the Faith myself. Getting into Sacramento, and having to deal with so much that started working against everything I had been hoping for and expecting, was that I was seeing myself in all the situations in contradiction to what I was expecting with my life and my faith. I couldn't say this guy was really being a preacher. He was a guy that was trying to be clever, with all this, and yet he still had a life that looked pagan to his life style. He kind of looked like he was on being stoned also. Like fitting in with the rebellious? and obscured crowd? Looking at him, you wouldn't really think that he was a Christian actually. It was what he would say, that got me surprized in his outlook on things.

Badfish

Yeah, well, I'm not going hide my feelings anymore, I think the place is full of evil, it's more of a business it seems, and not a ministry. I'm arrogant, I'm a hypocrite, maybe a lot of us are, nobodies perfect and if they are, let them cast the first stone, because we all have faults. However I never really saw myself as condemning anyone, just pointing out that God says he condemns such and such and whatever, and well this could make another interesting thread..

Badfish

Well if you don't know what he said, how do you know it was hatred, I doubt it was personal hatred, I think Tears may have been being too sensitive, he's just a member, she can defend herself. And I'm not sure, but if you demanded anything of the kind from the guy on anothers behalf, he might beat you senseless with a scripture stick also.

Smilin

Tears and I are friends,,

We're different from the majority, thus we relate very well.

I won't violate her trust.

You ask her...it's her story to tell not mine..

and btw.. she DID defend herself against his hate talk and was immediately reprimanded and whomped with the 'Jesus Club'

and I'd love to be reinstated and allow him to beat me senseless with his hate, bigotry, and ignorance. But, I'd bet I'd be banned again for countering hatred, intolerance and ignorance with critical thinking and standard rules of debate.

Annabel Lee

Sometimes it gets so damned tiring defending yourself.

Why does CF have to be like a war?




Then Smilin would grab the Jesus stick and knock the other guy senseless.

Birdsmgp

... I had noticed this also, about Grim Reaper attacking Tear...

... Found in: Would you vote for a non-straight president?

... The Start of it was on Page 5 Post # 41

Page 5 Post # 41 TearFromTheInnerSoul

... Then 2nd of this was on Page 5 Post # 50

Page 5 Post # 50 TearFromTheInnerSoul

... I've been trying to be a friend of Tear... also. I think Thread had more, but this was the Start of it.

faithful slave pedro

Badfish
What did he express that would warrant any anymosity, seems like he tried to not be personal and just tried to beat people with scripture sticks?

You know, it's funny, with all the Christian yammering about "personal responsibility," Christians are apparently excused from some of the most egregious insults by simply claiming "Hey, those aren't my words, they're God's."

Do you not understand what a complete and total abdication of personal responsibility these sort of horseshit antics are?

Smilin

The actions of a few degrade the whole site...
Yet, despite our efforts to bring to light those things which
have hurt people, which have driven people away from Christianity (myself included), and the 'thou shalt not question me' rule the few cowards hide behind defeat the whole 'mission statement' Erwin advertises.



[/quote]Then Smilin would grab the Jesus stick and knock the other guy senseless. [/QUOTE]

Even Jesus didn't own the 'Jesus Stick', so why should I even pick up such a thing?

Besides, I'm up for strictly 'scriptural debate' any day. Check my first few hundred posts. I can hold my own with any of them. I just don't accept there POV is all.

Note: I do no mean to generalize, since I adore and admire MANY people at that site. My opinions are directed at the few who suffer from their own personal hell of a 'God Complex'

Badfish

Michael, I don't see anything that seems to attacking, if someone is going to participate in Christian apologetics, then they must be ready to defend themselves, Tears orientation is hardly a secret, and I don't see anything that is overly personal, it looks like Tears fought back just fine.


Annabel, I know what your saying, that is why I suggested a humble and structured bible study there, but that didn't seem to fly, the site gets more action when there is strife. Thats what makes it so popular. Sad, that division and lack of constructive structured study and fellowship is not promoted. And when you venture into the CO cliques, it is not study if someone asks a question, they are more likely to get a scripture whippin'.

Apologetics is different, I use scripture sticks, there, but i would like to see something a little more humble and reserved for study without a warlike debate, I am not sure it can be done, but with a soft touch, I don't really see why not.