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Mageth · 10-31-2002, 11:38 AM

Well because its dangerous to do so.

Huh? I think you mean it's dangerous to not fear the unknown.

I think it's a waste of time to fear the unknown.

Zentraedi · 10-31-2002, 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by Kind Bud:


It would work something like <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html" target="_blank">this</a>.

Its your opinion that religion has no influence in creating the constitution of the United States?

K · 10-31-2002, 11:41 AM

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Well because its dangerous to do so.

How is not fearing the unknown more dangerous than putting the unknown (and even the known or possibly known) into some admittedly imaginary friend's hands?

Silent Acorns · 10-31-2002, 11:46 AM

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You’d probably base them off the ones you already know of. (Formally religious-based ones)

The U.S.S.R. was never full of atheist, they were just not allowed to practice their beliefs. The U.S.S.R. began with people of religion.

Your suggestion that atheists are incapable of developing a moral system independent of religious morals simply because religious morals came first ignores the fact that these same religious morals were based on even older pagan morals which were themselves based on even older moral codes. I could easily ask you:

Animism digs deep into your logic. How would your morals work in a non-animist society? You’d probably base them off the ones you already know of. (Formally animist-based ones)

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Zentraedi: Don’t you fear the unknown?
Mageth : If it's unknown, why should I fear it?
Zentraedi: Well because its dangerous to do so.

I have to ask you Zentraedi, do you fear the Sephakim of Quoba?

Mageth · 10-31-2002, 11:48 AM

Its your opinion that religion has no influence in creating the constitution of the United States?

I think it did have influence, in that the framers were careful to exclude religious dogma/doctrine from the Constitution (religion is only mentioned in the First Amendment (granting freedom of religion and prohibiting establishemnt of a state religion) and in one other amendment (which number?) prohibiting religious tests for office.

xeren · 10-31-2002, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by Silent Acorns:


I have to ask you Zentraedi, do you fear the Sephakim of Quoba?

Man, that guy is SO scary. I do.

BTW Zentraedi, you still haven't answered the basic question:

Where did God get his morals?

[ October 31, 2002: Message edited by: xeren ]

Zentraedi · 10-31-2002, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Mageth:
Well because its dangerous to do so.

Huh? I think you mean it's dangerous to not fear the unknown.

I think it's a waste of time to fear the unknown.

So, walk across a street, do you look to see whats coming first?
I think it might be a good idea to look.

Mageth · 10-31-2002, 11:52 AM

So, walk across a street, do you look to see whats coming first?
I think it might be a good idea to look.

That cars may be driving on the street does not qualify as "unknown." I've crossed streets before, and I know it's best to look both ways before crossing.

xeren · 10-31-2002, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by Zentraedi:
So, walk across a street, do you look to see whats coming first?
I think it might be a good idea to look.

"the unknown" is something that cannot be known.

But, that is not "the unknown" because all you have to do is look and you know. I fear a car coming at 80mph, I do NOT fear not knowing whether a car is coming.

Zentraedi · 10-31-2002, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by Mageth:
Its your opinion that religion has no influence in creating the constitution of the United States?

I think it did have influence, in that the framers were careful to exclude religious dogma/doctrine from the Constitution (religion is only mentioned in the First Amendment (granting freedom of religion and prohibiting establishemnt of a state religion) and in one other amendment (which number?) prohibiting religious tests for office.

The constitution shows it roots in religion partial to christianity. All are equal is a religious idea. We are not all equal.

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10-31-2002, 11:38 AM	#21
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Well because its dangerous to do so. Huh? I think you mean it's dangerous to not fear the unknown. I think it's a waste of time to fear the unknown.

10-31-2002, 11:48 AM	#25
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Its your opinion that religion has no influence in creating the constitution of the United States? I think it did have influence, in that the framers were careful to exclude religious dogma/doctrine from the Constitution (religion is only mentioned in the First Amendment (granting freedom of religion and prohibiting establishemnt of a state religion) and in one other amendment (which number?) prohibiting religious tests for office.

10-31-2002, 11:52 AM	#28
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	So, walk across a street, do you look to see whats coming first? I think it might be a good idea to look. That cars may be driving on the street does not qualify as "unknown." I've crossed streets before, and I know it's best to look both ways before crossing.

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