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Blackbird · 08-13-2007, 03:21 PM

In one or two paragraphs, explain why you believe what you believe.

So if you're atheist, briefly explain the strongest arguments that have convinced you to be atheist.

If you're theist, deist, etc do the same.

GenesisNemesis · 08-13-2007, 03:26 PM

1: Problem of Evil. Why did God create Evil? I can't wrap my head around it. 2: Problem of Free Will. Why did God allow us to do what we want against His wishes? 3: The Cosmic Scam. The idea of a Cosmic Plan seems completely ridiculous to me, as it conflicts with Free Will. 4: First Cause Argument. Why is God uncaused? Why can't the Universe be uncaused? 5: Argument from Development. Everything must have developed from simplicity, or enough simplicity in order to become complex, but there is no necessary direction.

Chidori · 08-13-2007, 03:27 PM

Currently no god has given me evidence of their existence.

Baalazel · 08-13-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackbird

In one or two paragraphs, explain why you believe what you believe.

So if you're atheist, briefly explain the strongest arguments that have convinced you to be atheist.

If you're theist, deist, etc do the same.

I don't think gods exist because they are not needed. Those who need an outer source of meaning and purpose think gods exist because it is necessary that gods exist.

Baal

Antiplastic · 08-13-2007, 03:51 PM

I can do it in a word.

Silence.

teemu · 08-13-2007, 03:56 PM

There is no logical reason why a god should exist, and no sign of one either.

Deus Ex · 08-13-2007, 04:15 PM

As an ex-theist, I would say that there are far too many logical absurdities with all the religions I have ever studied. When you start asking questions a theist can't answer, they throw everything under "God works in mysterious ways" or "Who are we to judge God?".

I also realized that most people believe what their parents' believe. Catholic parents, Catholic kids, Muslim parents, Muslim kids. Absolute truth seems to be determined by which church or mosque is close by.

Cheerful Charlie · 08-13-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackbird

In one or two paragraphs, explain why you believe what you believe.

So if you're atheist, briefly explain the strongest arguments that have convinced you to be atheist.

If you're theist, deist, etc do the same.

Omnigenesis - Proof God of the Bible, Quran, Vedas and other 'revelations' is impossible.
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...ht=omnigenesis

Supergods - More proof God is impossible
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...68#post4600868

CC

Traveler · 08-13-2007, 06:53 PM

I've never believed in a god, as far back as I can remember. The whole idea always struck me as silly and naive. Sort of like believing in Santa Claus beyond childhood. It struck me that the people who were most outspoken about their belief seemed to need it as a crutch through rough times. I knew lutherans, catholics, methodists, episcopalians, jews, and a few others growing up. And I could never see that their belief structure made them happier, more productive, or more ethical than my family (agnostic father, deist mother).

I've never seen any evidence for a god, the contradictions of the many different "followers", and the sheer violence in the bible, all contribute to a strong feeling that I'm not wrong.

And if I do turn out to be wrong, I simply cannot believe that there is only "one path up the mountain." Any greater being who was truly great, wouldn't be so petty.

His Noodly Appendage · 08-13-2007, 07:03 PM

Because the idea that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father wants me to telepathically acknowledge him as my master so that he can remove an evil force from my soul that was placed there when a talking snake convinced a rib-woman to eat the fruit of a magical tree... is fucking retarded.

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GenesisNemesis Contributor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A pale blue oblate spheroid. Posts: 20,351	1: Problem of Evil. Why did God create Evil? I can't wrap my head around it. 2: Problem of Free Will. Why did God allow us to do what we want against His wishes? 3: The Cosmic Scam. The idea of a Cosmic Plan seems completely ridiculous to me, as it conflicts with Free Will. 4: First Cause Argument. Why is God uncaused? Why can't the Universe be uncaused? 5: Argument from Development. Everything must have developed from simplicity, or enough simplicity in order to become complex, but there is no necessary direction.

08-13-2007, 03:27 PM	#3
Chidori Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: ♥ Posts: 714	Currently no god has given me evidence of their existence.

08-13-2007, 03:51 PM	#5
Antiplastic Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Adrift on Neurath's Raft Posts: 1,787	I can do it in a word. Silence.

08-13-2007, 03:56 PM	#6
teemu Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mougins France Posts: 19	There is no logical reason why a god should exist, and no sign of one either.

08-13-2007, 04:15 PM	#7
Deus Ex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,348	As an ex-theist, I would say that there are far too many logical absurdities with all the religions I have ever studied. When you start asking questions a theist can't answer, they throw everything under "God works in mysterious ways" or "Who are we to judge God?". I also realized that most people believe what their parents' believe. Catholic parents, Catholic kids, Muslim parents, Muslim kids. Absolute truth seems to be determined by which church or mosque is close by.

08-13-2007, 06:53 PM	#9
Traveler Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Traveling the USA Posts: 6	I've never believed in a god, as far back as I can remember. The whole idea always struck me as silly and naive. Sort of like believing in Santa Claus beyond childhood. It struck me that the people who were most outspoken about their belief seemed to need it as a crutch through rough times. I knew lutherans, catholics, methodists, episcopalians, jews, and a few others growing up. And I could never see that their belief structure made them happier, more productive, or more ethical than my family (agnostic father, deist mother). I've never seen any evidence for a god, the contradictions of the many different "followers", and the sheer violence in the bible, all contribute to a strong feeling that I'm not wrong. And if I do turn out to be wrong, I simply cannot believe that there is only "one path up the mountain." Any greater being who was truly great, wouldn't be so petty.

08-13-2007, 07:03 PM	#10
His Noodly Appendage Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 6,513	Because the idea that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father wants me to telepathically acknowledge him as my master so that he can remove an evil force from my soul that was placed there when a talking snake convinced a rib-woman to eat the fruit of a magical tree... is fucking retarded.

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