Totalitarianist

http://www.marx2mao.org/Stalin/AS07.html

Read it: Stalin refutes many of those dogmatic claims which all anarchists are in the habit of making.

But what we really need is for the anarchists to be open-minded, to acknowledge criticism, to acknowledge the fact that their entire ideology is wrong and will always be wrong. Of course, that would require a certain degree of intelligence; consequently I have my doubts as to whether that would ever happen.

Anarchism, by the way, is not socialism. That is a lie.

scarmig

Yes. No anarchist has ever explored governmental systems before arriving at his anarchist conclusions.

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to acknowledge criticism,

Because anarchists are never challenged for their views and never stick around to debate them.

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to acknowledge the fact that their entire ideology is wrong and will always be wrong.

We bow down to your superior intellect. We are but worms, unworthy to crawl through your holy excrement in supplication of your wisdom.

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Of course, that would require a certain degree of intelligence;

Of course.

consequently I have my doubts as to whether that would ever happen.

Anarchism, by the way, is not socialism. That is a lie. [/QUOTE]

Ultron

I agree anarchism is wrong too. Anarchy would last two seconds before someone stepped in creating a govt to rule the masses.

Agreed, Socialism is the denoucement of capitalist influences, not the abscense of govt itself. Even the Communist Manifesto does not want to eliminate the state, only the bourgeois state. ie property-owning capatalists. The problem is that of course once people own property they aren't too willing to give it up, especially to the govt.

FoE

Except that this is not true.

YHWH666

why don't you type in "anarchism" on the Internet Infidel's political discussion forums search function? You�ll find a number of debates about anarchism.

Even better you can go to The anarchist FAQ where there is a plethora of arguments by anarchists which are constantly being challenged



The American heritage dictionary defines socialism as �a system in which the means of production and distribution are owned and controlled by the workers who use them.�

Anarchist theory aims to abolish private owners ship of the means of production and replace it with worker�s collective ownership and control.
As such anarchism is a form of socialism.

I have no desire to argue the definition of True Socialism (TM) so if you refuse to acknowledge reality, then I can�t help you.





I suggest that anyone unfamiliar with anarchism as a political theory skim through the anarchist FAQ linked above, so no one has to repeat the same old explanations and arguments again

that's all for now

Ultron

OK how long would anarchy last in say, Iraq, before a govt is needed in some level?

Ultron

Isn't anarchism the lack of govt alltogether? Correct me if I'm wrong here but I thought socialism required a govt as well as the lack of property rights. With anarchy property is about all you have and it's back to bartering and trading essentially.

YHWH666

State Socialism is not the only form of socialism. Socialism does not require a government as a Socialist State is not the only means of collective organization�at least according to anarchism.



Anarchist theory does call for the abolition of private property as it is defined by socialists. Here is a clip from the anarchist FAQ:

�Anarchists define "private property" (or just "property," for short) as state-protected monopolies of certain objects or privileges which are used to exploit others. "Possession," on the other hand, is ownership of things that are not used to exploit others (e.g. a car, a refrigerator, a toothbrush, etc.). Thus many things can be considered as either property or possessions depending on how they are used. For example, a house that one lives in is a possession, whereas if one rents it to someone else at a profit it becomes property. Similarly, if one uses a saw to make a living as a self-employed carpenter, the saw is a possession; whereas if one employs others at wages to use the saw for one's own profit, it is property.
While it may initially be confusing to make this distinction, it is very useful to understand the nature of capitalist society. Capitalists tend to use the word "property" to mean anything from a toothbrush to a transnational corporation -- two very different things, with very different impacts upon society.�





Not necessarily, most anarchists don�t seek to abolish all forms of currency, just change the system of how it�s used.

FoE

I dunno, how many anarchists are there in Iraq? It has worked before though. Perhaps you ought to read that faq someone else posted so as to be sure you understand what anarchism actually is.

ashibaka

Anarchism is simply libertarian socialism...