Ion

When did Bush state this before the war?

Never.

The fool lied about WMDs in Iraq, sincerely believing he would find them in spite of U.N.'s claims, impressing the world with these WMDs, and secretely loot Iraq.

See how he had to resort after not finding WMDs in Iraq to 'liberation' of Iraq, and actually improvise it now by asking money in Congress because he didn't think about this 'liberation' possibility.

Daggah

So you make outlandish claims in other threads without providing references, and yet when I refer to things mentioned on the major news outlets (everything I mentioned I saw reported on ABC World News Tonight for crying out loud) you scream "References, references!" :boohoo:

Ion

The guerilla war in Iraq is in today's newspapers, and in everyday's newspapers for many months now.

Given this guerilla war, how come you and Bush claim 'liberation'?

Won't you go and fight the guerilla war?

debater10

If that had anything to do with this discussion...

The fact is that I am not familiar with what may be going on in those countries. North Korea has confessed to having Nuclear weapons, but is working things out in talks with the UN, NATO, and the US. Economic action may be the better solution for the HR abuses in China. Cuba is an area with which I am unfamiliar an therefore cannot say one way or the other.

I realise what you are trying to lead me to. You have this stereotype in your head of all conservatives thinking that the US should invade at-will any country that it disagrees with. That, unfortunately, is a wrong assumption, most likely a product of so much propaganda.

Instead, I look at the situation of Iraq. Unwilling to work with anyorganizations, and the organizations being to finacially invested in the country to want ot do anything. The options were limited, and countless civilians were dying every day.

No crusades... no US hegemony pushes... no looting and plundering... just doing what was in our power to stop the abuses to human rigths when all those around us were complacent.

debater10

I don't watch TV, I'm afraid to say. And, if I could point out, I offered an explanation for the tactics in an above post.

But, I imagine that this may offer an answer.

http://www.arabtimesonline.com/arabt...p?ID=883&cat=b

hmmm... we are not alone with the tactics.

Hubble head

If we can agree on one thing I think its that Saddam knew he was 100% fucked as soon as Bush was given the keys to the Whitehouse.

Ion

How do you get your news?

Newspapers?

Can you talk from newspapers?

As of now, from newspapers, Bush lied about:

1) knowing of WMDs in Iraq;

2) Hussein link to September 11;

3) Hussein link to al-Qaeda;

4) Hussein link to Niger for nuclear;

5) when going to war and killing Iraqis, saying it 'liberates' Iraq while trying to hide his looting of the oil.

Note:

there is no French possible diversion by debater10 in 1) thru 5), but 1) thru 5) show how Bush alone fabricates the war.

debater10

Look, I've answered all of this and given you sources that prove my point. I'm sorry if the evidence does not say what you want it to. If you are going to insist that I need to provide you with newspaper resources as opposed to electronic ones, then you are trying to avoid the issue. As soon as you have actual evidenced arguements, I will acknowledge them with a response.

And, yes. Saddam knew he was screwed as soon as Bush entered the office. He was hoping for a President (ahem... Gore) that would be just as willing as France, Germany, and Russia to shed a blind eye on his activities.

Ion

You didn't.

I went over the previous page, and all questions remain unanswered by you.

For example:

.) where are the 'imminent' threat WMDs, worth breaking up with U.N. and war?

.) where are the 'enthusiastic' photos of 'liberated' Iraqis, that are not fake?

.) why is there a guerilla war?

.) like Daggah asked, why U.S. defended the Ministry of Oil and not museums?

.) why newspapers speak about Exxon's contracts?

.) how come Bush gets away with lies with you and people like you?

Ion

You know how good that would have been?

.) 7,000 Iraqi civilians saved;

.) thousands of Iraqi army saved;

.) thousands prevented from being maimed;

.) 200 U.S. soldiers saved;

.) $74 billion of taxpayer money saved;

.) U.S. maintaining credibility in the world;

.) U.N. monitoring like in the past ten years and better than that (with U.S.' candid input), Hussein.

Moral:

do respect U.N., as the will of the international community.