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Clutch · 11-11-2002, 12:04 PM

KC,

Beautiful!

scombrid · 11-11-2002, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by Albion:


Sigh...

So animals weren't carnivorous - which means they ate plants? Then plants died on account of being eaten, right? Si death DID exist before the Fall (which means they might just as well have bene carnivorous). Or didn't the Bible authors think of plants as alive? Oh, wait - the Bible is a scientifically correct document, or so we keep getting told. Which means that plants clearly weren't alive. Which means they aren't alive now. Or where's the Bible verse describing where God turned plants into living things after the Fall?

Why can't these people follow a simple train of thought in approximately a straight line and see where it leads them?

Maybe all pre-fall organisms were Breathairians.

pug846 · 11-11-2002, 12:15 PM

I used to get annoyed and angry when I would read statements like the ones below, now I just feel real sorry for these people. I edited some of the quotes for clarity, but not for content.

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Especially when there is so little evidence for evolution and it is mainly a hypothesis, not even a theory. Also, there is just as much evidence (if not far more, see ICR, Answers in Genesis, etc.) for creation. Even some secular scientists recognize the intricate design of the simplest life forms and see that there has to be more to it than simple blind chance�And that is what evolution teaches, not that it is a mechanism of God, but there is no God and material is all there is.

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They can believe in evolution and still be a Christian, but that goes to show that they are�in need of taking science more seriously (especially the laws of thermodynamics).

Evolution is a philosophy and it is a religion, it is far from being a science. After all, it is the "theory" of evolution.

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As I stated previously there is a very active and vibrant field of creation science, headed by Institute for Creation Research and Answers In Genesis. These guys are scientists, not theologians! And I am familiar with science, so I am not just talking about something I have never looked into or seen the evolutionist perspective. I majored in engineering at a major state university, and the science department was not exactly creation friendly!

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Even the originators of the "theory/hypothesis" of evolution come to a point where they must admit that their belief in evolution is simply because they do not want to bow down before the great Creator of the universe and own Him as their Master.

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[L]ike it or not, evolution assumes there is no God and that we came from nothing by chance.

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If you want to talk about racism, evolution is very supportive of it, and in fact one race being better than another is a by-product of evolution. Don't you know that Hitler believed in evolution and that it justified what he did?

Just as a side note to your "facts" of evolution, you should go to <a href="http://www.drdino.com" target="_blank">www.drdino.com</a> because Dr. Hovind has a $250,000 offer to anyone with proof of evolution. So if you know of some, you may want to go there!

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In origins evolution teaches a �big bang theory.�
In true science, the law of biogenesis says that life can only come from life. Life can never come from inanimate matter. Evolution goes against its own scientific laws.

Irony�

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Any proof for evolution anyone???? I do believe that Rev. G was correct in his assesment, what about 2nd law of thermo? And to say uneducated people dispute evolution, well, is rather ignorant (lack of knowledge, not meant to be an attack). And to call evolution a theory is being pretty generous...........

Darwin's Finch · 11-11-2002, 12:54 PM

There was a time not too long ago when I found such ignorance amusing, if irritating. Now I just feel depressed when I encounter it. For every pz, RufusAtticus, scigirl, etc. there seem to be ten Helen Setterfields running around, spreading their pseudo-intellectual manure. I can't adequately express how much I loathe fundamentalist Christianity. The bastards won't stop until they've reduced a majority of the population to their own Dark Ages mentality. The really sad thing is that on a grassroots level, they seem to be succeeding. I'm astonished by the number of people who post at various sites who don't know the most basic things about the scientific method.

RufusAtticus · 11-11-2002, 01:32 PM

Actually, on Baptist Board there used to be ten of us for every one Helen Setterfield. Needless to say, we did not suffer pseudoscience to exist. Of course, the failure of creationism and fundy politics didn't go over too well so they just expelled all of us and deleted any posts we had ever made.

Heck Rev. Joshua has been such a thorn in the Fundy paw that they created a "No Rev. Joshuas Forum." Take this thread, <a href="http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=48;t=000091" target="_blank">Another thread on homosexuals</a>, for an example of why they wanted a stupids only forum.

~~RvFvS~~

Camaban · 11-11-2002, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Darwin's Finch:
There was a time not too long ago when I found such ignorance amusing, if irritating. Now I just feel depressed when I encounter it. For every pz, RufusAtticus, scigirl, etc. there seem to be ten Helen Setterfields running around, spreading their pseudo-intellectual manure. I can't adequately express how much I loathe fundamentalist Christianity. The bastards won't stop until they've reduced a majority of the population to their own Dark Ages mentality. The really sad thing is that on a grassroots level, they seem to be succeeding. I'm astonished by the number of people who post at various sites who don't know the most basic things about the scientific method.

It would be amusing (and scary) to see a world in which they actually succeeded in their aims.

*thinks of the worlds greatest countries going down lower than the level of afghanistan*

Bumble Bee Tuna · 11-11-2002, 10:00 PM

The most amusing/depressing quote I saw:

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The first law of Thermodynamics: Matter can neither be created nor destroyed. This is what the Bible teaches. Within six days God created everything.

-B

slh · 11-12-2002, 05:50 AM

Thats just sad.

I'm not that smrt...i mean smart, but....

DAMN thats stupid.

kookiejar · 11-12-2002, 06:12 AM

Sometimes I wish that the dinosaurs hadn't been obliterated and mammals had remained small food items.

Quetzal · 11-12-2002, 07:02 AM

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Originally posted by kookiejar:
Sometimes I wish that the dinosaurs hadn't been obliterated and mammals had remained small food items.

Why? Do you think dinos would be an brighter than the leading lights on that thread? *Morpho considers a creationist dinosaur.* Boggles the mind, don't it?

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11-11-2002, 12:04 PM	#21
Clutch Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 3,751	KC, Beautiful!

11-11-2002, 12:54 PM	#24
Darwin's Finch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Gardnerville, NV Posts: 666	There was a time not too long ago when I found such ignorance amusing, if irritating. Now I just feel depressed when I encounter it. For every pz, RufusAtticus, scigirl, etc. there seem to be ten Helen Setterfields running around, spreading their pseudo-intellectual manure. I can't adequately express how much I loathe fundamentalist Christianity. The bastards won't stop until they've reduced a majority of the population to their own Dark Ages mentality. The really sad thing is that on a grassroots level, they seem to be succeeding. I'm astonished by the number of people who post at various sites who don't know the most basic things about the scientific method.

11-11-2002, 01:32 PM	#25
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	Actually, on Baptist Board there used to be ten of us for every one Helen Setterfield. Needless to say, we did not suffer pseudoscience to exist. Of course, the failure of creationism and fundy politics didn't go over too well so they just expelled all of us and deleted any posts we had ever made. Heck Rev. Joshua has been such a thorn in the Fundy paw that they created a "No Rev. Joshuas Forum." Take this thread, <a href="http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=48;t=000091" target="_blank">Another thread on homosexuals</a>, for an example of why they wanted a stupids only forum. ~~RvFvS~~

11-12-2002, 05:50 AM	#28
slh Regular Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO USA Posts: 481	Thats just sad. I'm not that smrt...i mean smart, but.... DAMN thats stupid.

11-12-2002, 06:12 AM	#29
kookiejar Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 104	Sometimes I wish that the dinosaurs hadn't been obliterated and mammals had remained small food items.

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