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Wyz_sub10 · 02-22-2003, 09:18 AM

LOL!!!

Well, I don't know if Siegfried and Roy are atheists....but something tells me they ain't Baptists.

Viti · 02-22-2003, 09:25 AM

Thanks for the link Friar Bellows...but most of the articles did not support the theory that second hand smoke is such a danger.

Quote:

A systematic review of epidemiological studies on passive smoking estimated the increased risk of lung cancer as 24%

There is clear evidence of publication bias in these studies

Reanalysis of the data allowing for the possibility of publication bias substantially lowers the estimate of relative risk

Papers
Reanalysis of epidemiological evidence on lung cancer and passive smoking
J B Copas, professor, J Q Shi, research fellow.

Department of Statistics, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL

This site references numerous studies and articles which criticize the studies indicating second hand smoke is dangerous...you'll have to look at each article separately to determine their peer reviewed status I guess

http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/second.htm

Friar Bellows · 02-22-2003, 01:59 PM

I made no claim about the possible health dangers of passive smoking. The only claim I made was: "It really is very simple to find peer-reviewed articles on passive smoking on the internet." I also stated my general preference for relying on peer-reviewed research. Frankly, though, I have very little interest in this topic. But I do have an interest in free online journals, and so I thought I would contribute in that way.

Viti · 02-22-2003, 02:39 PM

Outstanding sir! Much appreciated

Mad Kally · 02-22-2003, 02:51 PM

I'll let everyone know as soon as I hear about one.

Shake · 02-23-2003, 02:40 PM

Real or not, the media (TV ads) really are attacking secondhand smoke! One with an older gentlemen who tells about how his wife is gone (dead, supposedly from his smoking), and another where you see a woman walking around a house while the narrator is talking about the ills of secondhand smoke, and at the end, we see the woman walk into a baby's room, the narrator goes on, "... Jenny doesn't know this, because she's just a baby." All the while, you had thought the narrator was talking about the woman.

Viti · 02-23-2003, 02:49 PM

One thing I did notice while skimming the various studies is that women make up 2/3 of lung cancer patients in all of them (regardless of smoking or passive smoking). Nobody seemed to know why

luvluv · 02-23-2003, 03:49 PM

They're lightweights.

Mad Kally · 02-23-2003, 04:06 PM

Quote:

posted by Shake:
Real or not, the media (TV ads) really are attacking secondhand smoke! One with an older gentlemen who tells about how his wife is gone (dead, supposedly from his smoking)

I hate that commercial and I don't even smoke. It's trying to make smokers think they are murderers. That is low...

Kally

Jackalope · 02-24-2003, 12:44 AM

Actually, there's one real risk factor associated with secondhand smoke: children exposed to cigarette smoke (or any substantial amount of particulate matter in the air) are more likely to develop asthma. This is a big deal, because asthma can kill. A lot quicker than lung cancer. It also puts the affected person at higher risk for pneumonia. And uncontrolled asthma can cause lung scarring over time, leading to COPD (chronic obstructionary pulmonary disease). That's no picnic.

But the cancer risk is way, way over-rated.

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02-22-2003, 09:18 AM	#11
Wyz_sub10 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the land of two boys and no sleep. Posts: 9,890	LOL!!! Well, I don't know if Siegfried and Roy are atheists....but something tells me they ain't Baptists.

02-22-2003, 01:59 PM	#13
Friar Bellows Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: arse-end of the world Posts: 2,305	I made no claim about the possible health dangers of passive smoking. The only claim I made was: "It really is very simple to find peer-reviewed articles on passive smoking on the internet." I also stated my general preference for relying on peer-reviewed research. Frankly, though, I have very little interest in this topic. But I do have an interest in free online journals, and so I thought I would contribute in that way.

02-22-2003, 02:39 PM	#14
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Outstanding sir! Much appreciated

02-22-2003, 02:51 PM	#15
Mad Kally Banned Join Date: May 2001 Location: LALA Land in California Posts: 3,764	I'll let everyone know as soon as I hear about one.

02-23-2003, 02:40 PM	#16
Shake Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Folding@Home in upstate NY Posts: 14,394	Real or not, the media (TV ads) really are attacking secondhand smoke! One with an older gentlemen who tells about how his wife is gone (dead, supposedly from his smoking), and another where you see a woman walking around a house while the narrator is talking about the ills of secondhand smoke, and at the end, we see the woman walk into a baby's room, the narrator goes on, "... Jenny doesn't know this, because she's just a baby." All the while, you had thought the narrator was talking about the woman.

02-23-2003, 02:49 PM	#17
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	One thing I did notice while skimming the various studies is that women make up 2/3 of lung cancer patients in all of them (regardless of smoking or passive smoking). Nobody seemed to know why

02-23-2003, 03:49 PM	#18
luvluv Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Planet Lovetron Posts: 3,919	They're lightweights.

02-24-2003, 12:44 AM	#20
Jackalope Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hayward, CA, USA Posts: 1,675	Actually, there's one real risk factor associated with secondhand smoke: children exposed to cigarette smoke (or any substantial amount of particulate matter in the air) are more likely to develop asthma. This is a big deal, because asthma can kill. A lot quicker than lung cancer. It also puts the affected person at higher risk for pneumonia. And uncontrolled asthma can cause lung scarring over time, leading to COPD (chronic obstructionary pulmonary disease). That's no picnic. But the cancer risk is way, way over-rated.

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