Peter Kirby

Repost from BC&H reply that mark9950 has ignored so far.

You can read the text of the talmudic episode here:

Yeshu and Joshua b. Perachiah

Basically, it goes: Joshua was once travelling and came upon a bed and breakfast, where they were treated well. Joshua said, "The hospitality around here is bitchin!" Josh retorted to his teacher, "Dude, she looks butt ugly." Joshua said, "You little twerp, is that all you think about?" And little Josh was kicked out of the club that day with great fanfare.

[That is a loose & modern paraphrase. Here is the translation in Zindler's book, pp. 249-250:]

B. Sanh. 107b: What of R. Jehoshua ben Perahjah? When Jannai the king [r. 104-78 BCE] killed our Rabbis, R. Jehoshua ben Perahjah [and Jesus] fled to Alexandria of Egypt. When there was peace, Shimon ben Shetah sent to him, "From me [Jerusalem] the city of holiness, to thee Alexandria of Egypt [my sister]. My husband stays in the midst and I sit forsaken." He came, and found himself at a certain inn; they showed him great honour. He said, "How beautiful is this Acsania!" [denotes both inn and innkeeper] (Jesus) said to him, "Rabbi, she has narrow eyes." He said, "Wretch, dost thou emply thyself thus?" He sent out four hundred trumpets and excommunicated him. He [i.e., Jesus] came before him many times and said to him, "Receive me." But he would not notice him. One day he [i.e. R. Jeh.] was reciting the Shema, he [i.e. Jesus] came before him. He was minded to receive him, and made a sign to him. He [i.e. Jesus] thought that he repelled him. He went and hung up a tile and worshipped it. He [R. Jeh.] said to him, "Return." He replied, "Thus I have received from thee, that every one who sins and causes the multitude to sin, they give him not the chance to repent." And a teacher has said, "Jesus ['the Nazarene'--only in the Munich manuscript--ed.] practised magic and led astray and deceived Israel." (Herford translation)

Zindler comments: "The pericope of the excommunication of Jesus also has a non-Christian ancestry. In the tractate Hagigah ['Festival Offering'] of the Jerusalem Talmud we have the rootstock of Bavli's Sanhedrin efflorescence. In the ancestral version, however, we have an anonymous disciple instead of Jesus. Furthermore, it is not R. Jehoshua ben Perahjah who flees to Egypt, but rather Judah b. Tabbai--who also dates to around 100 BCE!" (The Jesus the Jews Never Knew, p. 251)

The text mentioned is (in Neusner's translation):

j. Hag. 2:2: Judah b. Tabbai was nasi. Simeon b. Shatah was head of the court. Some teach it vice versa. He who says Judah b. Tabbai was nasi finds support in the incident of Alexandria. The men of Jerusalem wanted to appoint Judah b. Tabbai as patriarch of Jerusalem. He fled and went to Alexandria. The men of Jerusalem would write, "From Jerusalem, the great, to Alexandria, the small: How long will my betrothed dwell with you, while I am sorrowful on his account?" He departed and arrived in a boat. He said, "Do you remember what Deborah, the mistress of the house who received us, lacked?" One of his disciples said to him, "Rabbi, her eye was blinking." He said to him, "Lo, two [sins] are against you: one that you suspected me [of looking at her], and one that you looked at her. Did I say that her appearance was handsome of sight? I only said [handsome] in [her] deed[s]!" He was angry with him, and he went away.

The b. Sotah 47a parallel can be read here:

Always let the left hand thrust away and the right hand draw near...

Note that the references to "Yeshu" have been expurgated (by Jews to deflect charges that the Talmud is anti-Christian), and are indicated in the footnotes.

best,
Peter Kirby

abe smith

: that Their Lord, dogmatically "born of a never-impregnated human virgin" (THE POPE SAYS SO!) , cannot therefore have had a MALE = YYYYYY chromosome; because the only source for one of those (which is nominally what makes human males males) is from a MALE HUMAN FATHER.
QED, Their humanly-fatherless Lord has to have been a FEMALE; and if you'ld like to explore the ramifications of THAT, be my guests. n Ask me for my one-page, now 7? year-old paper, *Congratulations He's A Girl". Notice that RCs don't call that woman "the Blessed Virgin" so-much anymore. JP2 usually refers to her as "the blessed Mother". Does this imply that all other mothers are dirty, because they had to have had the res into the re, in order to get babies? Tch tch.

mark9950

Could Jesus have been a hermophrodite or maybe he was a drag queen?Possible?

ashibaka

The first fragment is to be found between Mark 10:34 and 10:35 -

And they came into Bethany and a certain woman whose brother had died was there. And, coming, she knelt down before Jesus and said to him, "Son of David, have mercy on me". But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus got angry with them and went off with her into the garden where the tomb was. Right away there was a loud cry from inside the tomb. Then Jesus rolled away the stone from in front of the tomb. He went in where the youth was and stretched forth his hand and raised him up. The youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beg him to be with him. They they left the tomb and went to the young man's house, for he was rich. Six days later, Jesus gave him instructions of what to do and in the evening the youth came to him, wearing nothing but a linen cloth over his naked body. He remained with him that night, for Jesus thaught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God. And when Jesus woke up, he returned to the other side of the Jordan.

The second fragment is to be found between Mark 10:46a and 10:46b -

And the sister of the young man whom Jesus loved was there, along with his mother and Salome, but Jesus did not receive them.


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rubbercok3000

NO.

Jesus is gay in the happy sense of the word though.

mark9950

I do not know what their culture was,but here in the USA if I took a child into my house and stayed with me in my house for 6 days consentual or not I guarantee that the police would be at my house questioning me.RIGHT?

They would try kidnapping a minor,RIGHT?

jerusha

And why would anyone even think of such a thing? I'd like to think he was straight and have never given it much thought. I guess that's my Catholic upbringing. But then again....we have a few gay priests don't we.....:banghead:

Dilandau

he was bisexual

mark9950

You mean pedoplilic priest criminals that belong behind bars bending over for bubba.

Since that scandal has been found and the media brought it public and to light.

Anyone who has a child would be very leary of leaving their child alone with a priest especially now.

I know most of the priests are not that way and really do serve their god,but it is better safe than sorry.

Gothic_J

well, him wandering off in the desert with 12 manly men makes one wonder.

more seriously, Ive no proof he existed, so -shrugs-