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Old 09-05-2003, 03:44 PM   #21
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Then we should be able to find Atheists fully engaged in community services. Helping their neighbours mend fences giving free concerts for farm-aid, food-aid and the rest of that stuff.

Correct?
Correct. However, your implication is that these activities are typically theistic. Not in my experience.

We should also be able to find docters donating their expertise for free. Correct?

Are you saying that all theistic doctors offer their expertise for free?

Is this not a bad attitude towards life?
Clearly I do not think so, otherwise I would change my attitude. However, please feel free to draw your own conclusions .
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I was waiting for this. I must be expectant of some sort.

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Dr. Rick : Do you mean atheist doctors? If so, I do.
Then I must congratulate you on your efforts.

It pleases those of us in the world who have nothing better to do than to help make the world a better place.
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AJ113 : Whether you like it or not, the world today was drawn from an ancient theistic world. There was good and there was bad.

I am interested in what beliefs Athiests have which will help proclaim a new world order. This is the knowledge I am after.
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Expectant.
Congratulations. When's it due?


Boy - that got me AJ113. :notworthy
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Old 09-05-2003, 03:55 PM   #25
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Possibly quite true. But why base your life and loves on the comparision block of another?
Why, indeed? It was you that first used the relative term bad to describe another's attitude.

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I am interested in what beliefs Athiests have which will help proclaim a new world order. This is the knowledge I am after.
Huh? Atheists aren't distinguished by their beliefs, but by their lack of god-belief. What one atheist believes may otherwise be completely different from what another believes.
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Old 09-05-2003, 04:00 PM   #26
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AJ113 : Whether you like it or not, the world today was drawn from an ancient theistic world. There was good and there was bad.
Sophie: Whether you like it or not, you are making little sense here. Please clarify.

I am interested in what beliefs Athiests have which will help proclaim a new world order. This is the knowledge I am after.

What makes you think such atheistic beliefs exist?
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Old 09-05-2003, 04:04 PM   #27
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Atheist beliefs taken into consideration for their own worth, for their own meaningfulness. What is the problem with this form of accounting?
The problem is in attempting to ascribe a "worth" to a lack of belief without first quantitating the worth of belief.

It's akin to asking what is the worth of "non-air" or a "non-communist?"
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AJ113 : Sophie: Whether you like it or not, you are making little sense here. Please clarify.
You need lots of historical lossons to fill that gap. I have not the time nor patience today. You may have to do a little digging for yourself.
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Dr. Rick, let me rephrase that last statement of mine - Atheist beliefs taken into consideration for themselves.
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I was wondering, what do atheists hold dear to their hearts? I realise dissing GODS must be amoung their few cherished pastimes. But what of the everyday things which makes atheists so wholly pratically much different from theists or the rest of the world.
Atheists do not diss gods so to speak. We do not believe any gods exist. We only diss the concept of gods.

The freedom to think for yourself
Religions often discourage people from thinking about certain issues, or thinking about them outside the context of that particular religion. As an atheist, you often feel a remarkable sense of freedom when you realise that you can think about previously taboo subjects (such as abortion, assisted suicide, birth control etc.) without referring to scripture or a priest for guidance. You are free to decide for yourself. You may even reach the same conclusions -, but you got there through logic and reason, not just unquestioning acceptance of whatever your church dictated.

This is called "freethought" and can lead you down avenues of thought that were previously closed to you. You do not have to follow the teachings of your church, religion or tradition - you can research the subject and decide for yourself. No more must you put up with answers like "God moves in a mysterious way", "Man was not meant to understand such things" or "Because it says so in the Bible, therefore it is true".

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What do atheists practise on Earth and can prove via some form of evidence that their individual contributions to life and liberty are worth examining in a meaningful manner?
Spend money on building a hospital instead of a church.

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