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Tristan Scott · 08-05-2003, 01:32 PM

If Adam and Eve were the first two people on earth, then who was it that lived in the Land of Nod, east of Eden where Cain found a wife?

Magus55 · 08-05-2003, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by Tristan Scott
If Adam and Eve were the first two people on earth, then who was it that lived in the Land of Nod, east of Eden where Cain found a wife?

Huh? Why do you get the assumption people lived in Nod before Cain headed there?

Apikorus · 08-05-2003, 02:38 PM

1 Sam 17: David kills Goliath

2 Sam 21: Elhanan kills Goliath

Demigawd · 08-05-2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Apikorus
1 Sam 17: David kills Goliath

2 Sam 21: Elhanan kills Goliath

Elhanan kills Goliath's brother:

[19] And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. [KJV]

Mageth · 08-05-2003, 02:51 PM

2 Sam 21: Elhanan kills Goliath

That was allegedly the brother of Goliath. That's what the KJV says, but unfortunately that's not what the original Hebrew says or implies.

Here's a good writeup.

(BTW, reading that chapter, there seemed to be giants coming out of the woodwork back then.)

WinAce · 08-05-2003, 02:52 PM

Pssst--the brother part was added by the KJV translators. It wasn't anywhere in the manuscript tradition. Apparently they thought it was such an obvious error that a little pious contradiction-resolving would help.

See this website for more info.

Doctor X · 08-05-2003, 03:07 PM

Do you mean that . . . translators . . . made up things?!!! Heavens to Betsy!!

--J. "In English as God Intended!" D.

Secular Pinoy · 08-05-2003, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by Doctor X
[B]Now THAT is funny . . . the first fallacious fallacy!

Uhm, I don't get it.

Tristan Scott · 08-05-2003, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Huh? Why do you get the assumption people lived in Nod before Cain headed there?

BBBRRRRIIINNNGGG!!!!

BRRRIIIINNGGGG!!!!!!

BURRRRIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!

Clue phone for Mr. 55.

It says he dwelt there and had a wife, and that they had a son Enoch. He didn't marry his mother, did he?

Doctor X · 08-05-2003, 03:37 PM

SecularPinoy:

Well, there have been some who have taken unjustifiable exception when I point out their fallacies.

I thought it funny that perhaps I may meet a "believer" who will dismiss the scientific evidence that proves Our Rock is not ~6000 years old as "you are just appealing to science!"

You know . . . that whole . . . "you skeptics worship science!" stuff. . . .

[Cue Sounds of Crickets Chirping in the Still Night.--Ed.]

Well . . . I thought it was funny. . . .

--J.D.

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08-05-2003, 01:32 PM	#61
Tristan Scott Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southwest USA Posts: 4,093	If Adam and Eve were the first two people on earth, then who was it that lived in the Land of Nod, east of Eden where Cain found a wife?

08-05-2003, 02:38 PM	#63
Apikorus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,396	1 Sam 17: David kills Goliath 2 Sam 21: Elhanan kills Goliath

08-05-2003, 02:51 PM	#65
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	2 Sam 21: Elhanan kills Goliath That was allegedly the brother of Goliath. That's what the KJV says, but unfortunately that's not what the original Hebrew says or implies. Here's a good writeup. (BTW, reading that chapter, there seemed to be giants coming out of the woodwork back then.)

08-05-2003, 02:52 PM	#66
WinAce Beloved Deceased Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Carrboro, NC Posts: 1,539	Pssst--the brother part was added by the KJV translators. It wasn't anywhere in the manuscript tradition. Apparently they thought it was such an obvious error that a little pious contradiction-resolving would help. See this website for more info.

08-05-2003, 03:07 PM	#67
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Do you mean that . . . translators . . . made up things?!!! Heavens to Betsy!! --J. "In English as God Intended!" D.

08-05-2003, 03:37 PM	#70
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	SecularPinoy: Well, there have been some who have taken unjustifiable exception when I point out their fallacies. I thought it funny that perhaps I may meet a "believer" who will dismiss the scientific evidence that proves Our Rock is not ~6000 years old as "you are just appealing to science!" You know . . . that whole . . . "you skeptics worship science!" stuff. . . . [Cue Sounds of Crickets Chirping in the Still Night.--Ed.] Well . . . I thought it was funny. . . . --J.D.

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