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DarkBronzePlant · 07-25-2003, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by pariahSS
Does it really matter?

Often bands don't use the guitar in a conventional way...they tune the guitar to the floor and it is used as more of a rythm instrument . Then the bass or lyrics, even piano, provide the melody. Just b/c something isnt conventional doesnt mean that its bad.

NOTE: I have never even heard a radio head song but I assume that they use their guitars in a manner similiar to Korn, System of a Down...etc.

No. I know what you mean, and usually it's cool when musicians come up with alternate tunings for their instruments. I think I know some of the songs you're alluding to. No, with Radiohead we're talking about various strings just being slightly flat or sharp. I don't know, maybe they were trying to be original or something...

pariah · 07-25-2003, 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by DarkBronzePlant
No. I know what you mean, and usually it's cool when musicians come up with alternate tunings for their instruments. I think I know some of the songs you're alluding to. No, with Radiohead we're talking about various strings just being slightly flat or sharp. I don't know, maybe they were trying to be original or something...

Odd...I will have to listen to some of their music...

Secular Elation · 07-25-2003, 08:47 PM

I've read some reviews from music magazines and the like. Seems that Hail to the Thief isn't receiving good acclaim.

Oh well, I like it.

August Spies · 07-25-2003, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by DarkBronzePlant
blah blah blah blah

I am not too impressed.
I knwo people who are english majors and have been writing for years... yet still suck at writing.

Maybe if I heard something and thought it was good I would be impressed... until then, don't break your hand patting yourself on the back.

EDIT: note, I know lots of people who have been musicains for years, been in big bands and writen some of the most amazing songs I have ever heard. And most of them love radiohead. My point: just because you play guitar doesn't prove much here... especially when we are talking about as widely celebrated of a band as radiohead.

August Spies · 07-25-2003, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by Secular Elation
I've read some reviews from music magazines and the like. Seems that Hail to the Thief isn't receiving good acclaim.

Oh well, I like it.

If you care about those things www.metacritic.com has Hail to the theif ranked with an 85... which is very high for a MC rank.
(Meta critic averages out scores from about 20 sources ranging from Spin to pitchfork)

Sakpo · 07-26-2003, 12:13 AM

Hail To The Thief is a darn good album. For what it's worth, I'm a guitarist, and I know a lot of other guitarists, and DarkBronzePlants' views on Radiohead are probably not representative of the majority of guitarists who've listened to Radiohead.

Huginn · 07-26-2003, 03:19 AM

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I could explain to that the reason I really like "Creep", the only song by Radiohead I've ever heard and liked, is because although it only consists of four chords, those four chords fit together rather cleverly, in that the first chord is the tonic chord; the second is the mediant, which is typically a minor chord, but in this case raised to a dominant seventh chord, thus providing a chromatic passing tone between the tonic chord's fifth and the root note of the next chord, which is the submediant. But wait! They throw in a bit of deception, because that dominant seventh resolves to the subdominant chord, not to the submediant as expected! Finally, the fourth chord is again the submediant, but this time it's lowered to minor form, thus providing another chromatic passing tone between the subdominant's III note and the tonic's V note. So it resolves quite nicely when return to the tonic. Plus the guitarist gets some pretty impressive tones out of his axe.

That analysis demonstrates a very simplistic, mathematical, view of music. Not all of us would agree that way is the best way to appreciate music. It isn't science, don't treat it like it is.

DarkBronzePlant · 07-26-2003, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by August Spies
I am not too impressed, blah blah blah

Wow, so I went from knowing nothing about music to flying right over your head, eh?

Well, August, if you will note your original email, you made the blatantly false assumption that I knew nothing about music. I was demonstrating you to be wrong. I wasn't patting myself on the back; at this point I really don't need to. Also note that nowhere did I imply that my musical background gives me more of an opinion than anyone else here on whether Radiohead is a good band. I simply refuted your argument. Sorry if that bugs you.

And yes, I know a lot of people like Radiohead. A lot of people believe in god, too. Both boggly my mind. But, I think I can live in peace with Radiohead fans a lot better than with theists... as long as you guys don't try to pass any mandatory-Radiohead-playing-in-public-buildings legislation or anythign.

DarkBronzePlant · 07-26-2003, 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by Huginn
That analysis demonstrates a very simplistic, mathematical, view of music... It isn't science, don't treat it like it is.

Mathematic, yes. Simplistic? Hardly. There is a lot that is scientific about music, and a great deal that is mathematical. And sorry, but to be able to write really good music, you need a basic understanding of that. Not saying that you must follow the "rules", but you ought to at least know what the rules are befor you break them all. Unless you want to take the very simplistic approach of just throwing a bunch of chords together and seeing how they sound.

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Not all of us would agree that way is the best way to appreciate music.

Again, I was demonstrating to August Spies that his assumption was incorrect. I also like the way Creep sounds, but saying that hardly demonstrates that I know something about music. And in the same vein, it's just that I don't like the way new Radiohead sounds.

So let's turn this around, eh? I've heard a lot of people who like Radiohead, but few actually say what they like about it. So, what do you like about Radiohead? What am I missing? Is it the lyrics? The "differentness" factor? To my chagrin, my fiancee is a Radiohead fan, so I've got OK Computer at the house, so I can reference that if anyone's got examples. Seriously. I was being inflammatory about the guitar-falling-down-the-stairs thing, but I'm serious here.

August Spies · 07-26-2003, 09:11 AM

My statement was obviously a hyperbole. It was not meant to be taken literaly. This is an internet message board.... get over it.
But I am sure you realised it was meant that way and felt like bragging about your "musical knowledge." Nothing wrong with that really, but no need for pretentions.

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Wow, so I went from knowing nothing about music to flying right over your head, eh?

No. not at all. I still haven't seen anything that would make me believe you know a lot about music.

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07-25-2003, 08:47 PM	#23
Secular Elation Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: California Posts: 6,196	I've read some reviews from music magazines and the like. Seems that Hail to the Thief isn't receiving good acclaim. Oh well, I like it.

07-26-2003, 12:13 AM	#26
Sakpo Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Pacific Northwest (illegally occupied indigenous l Posts: 7,716	Hail To The Thief is a darn good album. For what it's worth, I'm a guitarist, and I know a lot of other guitarists, and DarkBronzePlants' views on Radiohead are probably not representative of the majority of guitarists who've listened to Radiohead.

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