Godless Dave

Against gay marriage?

Don't marry a gay person.

trunks2k

She advocates no such thing. Janeane Garofalo may be a bit far to the left, but she is rather intelligent and can hold her own in an argument very well. I've never seen her advocate ovethrowing the government, she's advocated drastic social and governemnt reforms, but never overthrowing the government.

And I think you complete misunderstand what Janeane means in her quote. To me, she gets "choked up" because she's proud to see people who have to go through so much shit because of their sexuality being open and demanding social reforms.

You think that gays aren't persecuted. Do me a favor then, walk down a busy street with holding another man's hand, and see what people say to you. Go to a job interview and see the obivous sudden attitude change in the interviewer when you tell them you are the treasurer of a GLBT group. Try getting on your partnet's insurance plan. Try getting a proper inheritance when your partner dies. Try getting hospital visitation rights if your partner is in the hospital. Listen in on a conversation among straight guys when they see a gay couple (not that all straight guys say derogatory things, but in my experience, many do). Try being an openly gay high school student. Try experiencing the fear of walking down a street with your boyfriend scared shitless that you will be the next in a string of gay bashings that the police have done little to stop.

Invader Tak

Four, count 'em, four mentions of publicly naked men and women in one post. Methinks someone has some issues.

I'm not even going to speculate on what the seeming parallel obsession with naked, gay, *flag-burning* men and women might mean.

scigirl

Yep - he's jealous that he wasn't there. Don't imagine China has nude parades much these days.

Me - I'm not a big fan of nude parades - but i am from montana where it's winter 9 months of the year.

scigirl

dk

Chiron: I still understand neither the significance of the statement "scientists thought that proved something", nor its repetition. (if they were true scientists, they wouldn't let proof into the equation [/semantics]). You followed JamesKrieger's calling it a red herring with something your "masking the problem" thing. You continued on the masking tack by claiming that, because Sweden and the Netherlands are sexually open societies, problems are hidden. Are you accusing the governments of those countries of hiding, distorting, and lying about the statistics JamesKrieger was asking about?
dk: Sure, and let me start from the beginning with Toynbee’s general historical principle, “Civilizations, empires, nations,,, families and individuals grow and prosper by solving problems presented by time, and ruined by the first insoluble problem they encounter.” In biological terms a problem invades the body (at some level), therefore requires an immune response. Disease, famine, economic crisis, natural catastrophe and war are the most typical problems nations face. But technology, corruption, inept leadership, education and vice at any level may ruin a civilization or empire. Problems present themselves in their own time, and people/leadership must recognize the nature of the problem and then respond with an effective solution. An errant diagnosis of the problem guarantees a futile response. Each time the body responds ineffectively it must dedicate more and more resources to finding a solution. Whether quick or slow the problem grows until it literally bleeds the body of its finite store of diminishing resources. In the end the civilization, empire, nation,,, family and/or individual find a workable solution or parish. Very few cultures progress past a degenerate level of savagery to enjoy the gift of civilization. Today there are only two civilizations that have endured i.e. Eastern and Western Civilization. The reason I’m so vehemently opposed to The Gay Right Movement is their assault upon the family. The family is the fundamental unit that built and sustains Western and Eastern Civilization. Homosexuality stems from Freud’s egotism, and reduces people to disconnected individuals lacking an ethical form or archetype to build upon. The real problem isn’t homosexuality, but the egotism that makes homosexuality possible. A worldview based on egotistical undermines the essential virtues of faith, hope and love with myopic skepticism. Faith, hope and love make a good life possible despite our individual flaws.

Chiron: Citing sexual deviancy as a problem is begging the question: it has not been established that sexual deviancy is a problem in the first place. Is deviancy a crime? Like, should we deny rights to the people who take the road less traveled by? Example: I am a lefty, which gives me one thing in common with about 10% of humanity. Handedness is quite comparable to sexual orientation, inasmuch that is a heritable trait which has been religiously persecuted. Given the 10% figure and the history of persecution, am I "manually deviant"? And how would this be a problem?
dk: Sexual deviancy has always been a problem. History bleeds with the wounds inflicted by rape, incest, infidelity, abandoned children and adultery. It percolates in the myths of virtually every culture in recorded history. There have been literally thousands of wars fought by half brothers that contest their birth right, not to mention the imbeciles kings of blue blooded incest. The question is whether nations have the resources and technology necessary to normalize, legitimize and institutionalize the degenerative affects that follow from sexual deviancy. I think the answer is obviously no. In an egotistical world I have no real interest in anybody but myself, except to serve, gratify or tickle my delusions, appetites and impulses.

Chiron: I don't recall if it was in this thread or not, but someone correctly said that because "homosexual sex" (should that be anal sex, or is there a different kind?) does not, in and of itself, cause disease, it does not fit the classifications of problem. After all, it's possible to kill somebody with a pair of scissors (righty OR lefty!) -- so are scissors problematic?
dk: Everybody agrees Gays, Bi, Lesbians (GBL) people suffer from disproportionate high rates of depression, suicide, personality disorders and a host of other personality, emotional and behavioral maladies. Proponents conclude the root cause stems from the psychological affects of bigotry and intolerance claiming no harm no foul, so the cure requires reform of cultural attitudes, norms and mores. Opponents say the root cause stems intrinsically from the performance of the deviant sexual acts itself.

Chiron: dk: "A hard biological fact, sexual intercourse requires the participants to possess right body parts."
You mean an orifice part and a penetrating part? But wait -- what about prosthetic penetration? Or even orifice-to-orifice actions?
dk: Gays and Lesbians objectively mock sex because they lack the necessary reproductive organs for sexual intercourse.

Chiron: While one definition of sexual intercourse is coitus, another is "Sexual union between humans involving genital contact other than vaginal penetration by the penis." Sounds like there's some room for non-coitus there (oh, right... the definition explicated that).
dk: Yah, Merriam Webster dictionary says intercourse involves at least one person’s genetalia. Here’s what the nation of India teaches its students. Amazing!…
What is sexual intercourse?
The common definition of sexual intercourse if the act by which the penis of a male enters the vagina of a female. Relevant to sexually transmitted diseases, sexual intercourse is used in its most general sense to also include the penetration of the anus/rectum of a man or a woman by the penis of another man. - Answers from school students in India

JamesKrieger: "Gays are not "recruited.""
dk: "Really, then the Gay Rights Movement spent an awful lot of time effort and time taking the boys scouts to court."
Chiron: non sequitur. "I live in a brick house." "Really, then why do you like pasta?"
Notice the name you ascribed to the group: Gay Rights Movement. Y'know, like civil rights for people who are homosexual. Anti-discrimination types of things.
dk: How about, “Forming and supporting community groups for sexual minority youth”. Which is one of the ways PFLAG masks sexual deviancy, to make schools safe for sexual minorities. The Gay Rights Movement wants gay mentors placed in a leadership role over children, to recruit and make the world safe for gay protégés. That’s what the Gay Rights Movement does, right?

I'm at a loss to explain how 13-19 year old gay proteges protected by gay mentors got exposed to HIV+, at a rate of 6%/year, higher for more vulnerable minority proteges. I don't even understand why the CDC tracks 13 year olds HIV kids as adults?

Chiron: And lastly, about recruitment: how do you retain this idea? Do you intentionally ignore the content in scigirl's posts? Do you employ a proxy to filter out PubMed articles and quotes thereof? Do you simply call it damnfoolnonsense and dealloc its resources in your head? What? Simply: homosexuality is not a choice, it's a product of one's genes and one's prenatal environment. The only recruitment that happens is in terms of participating in organizations and donating time/money -- you cannot recruit a reversal of sexuality.
dk: The Gay Rights Movement got a seat at the table of public opinion as the Poster Child for AIDs in the early 1980s. Today they wield significant political power. What do they do with their political power, focus on kids. Why? Because they can’t help themselves. It is very sad, and when gay mentors got access to gay protégés they transmitted HIV to a new generation. That’s the hard story nobody wants to hear. There’s no other contagious disease that counts 13 year olds as adults, and its ludicrous.

But really, in the post modern era, isn't that what social movements do, recruit kids to young and dumb to know better?

emotional

I'm sorry to say but, although I'm a fervent rejecter of the Bible, I simply hate homosexuals - specifically, male homosexuals. The reason being that I've been harassed by male homosexuals more than once in my life, and I simply can't forgive or forget that. Everytime I'm near a male homosexual, I have that lingering fear that he may harass me like others did in the past. I can't stand those people.

Abacus

If I understand you, you're saying that you hate literally millions of people worldwide because of the actions of a few. Is this correct?

emotional

Yes. What's the point of this question?!

tronvillain

Would you hate all Irish people if you were mugged by Irish guys a couple of times? Woudl you hate all Spanish peopel if you beaten up by Spanish guys a couple of times? Your position simply makes no sense. Oh, I can see you being a tiny bit nervous around homosexuals (or the Irish or Spaniards) simply because they remind you of what happened before, but hating them is completely insane.

Now, exactly how were you "harassed"?

emotional

Yes.



I'm not in the business of making sense.



Once bitten, always wary. (it was more than once)

Those dogs tried to kiss me!