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Old 05-25-2003, 01:03 PM   #11
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Of course the number of supposed "Christians turned atheists" who can actually claim they experienced any of the gifts and mystical experiences the Bible talks about, is virtually zero.
The statement is still being made that true believers can never become unbelievers.
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From this thread The statement is still being made that true believers can never become unbelievers.
It was Rads next statement in the post you quoted that promted me to start this thread.

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The hard-core ones therefore deny what they have never experienced, or can explain, except by cynical psychological guessing games.
This was the last straw and I felt it was time we addressed the negative connotations of one of Radorths favorite overused words.

It came as no surprise to me that his immediate reaction to this thread was to play the persecution card.
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It was Rads next statement in the post you quoted that promted me to start this thread.
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The hard-core ones therefore deny what they have never experienced, or can explain, except by cynical psychological guessing games.
This sounds like a self assessment, having never experienced deconversion from being a true believer.
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Rad,

There is no doubt that you haul out the c-word far more than any other poster than I've seen on this board, as if a cynicism automatically invalidates an argument. This makes my mildly cynical mind wonder about your motives. Not that I mind much -- I always know I've scored a point when you haul out that hoary old accusation.

BTW: no one here accused you of being a "worse witness than Hitler." You applied that term to yourself then accused us of believing that. All I've ever said is that you are a terrible witness.
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BTW: no one here accused you of being a "worse witness than Hitler." You applied that term to yourself then accused us of believing that. All I've ever said is that you are a terrible witness.
Thanks to Family Man's memory I'll be retracting what I said earlier in this thread about Rad and Hitler. I never actually said Rad was a worse witness than Hitler,but rather that Rad was the worst witness I've ever seen.
Rad then took it upon himself to compare himself to Hitler.

Thanks for refreshing my memory.
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GRD is not high noon. If you would like to discuss cynicism and its relation to atheism you can do so without the eye-rollingly obvious Radorth-baiting agenda. If you continue to use GRD as a character-assassination venue, this thread will be locked.

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Thanks to Family Man's memory I'll be retracting what I said earlier in this thread about Rad and Hitler. I never actually said Rad was a worse witness than Hitler,but rather that Rad was the worst witness I've ever seen.
Rad then took it upon himself to compare himself to Hitler.

Thanks for refreshing my memory.
This is one of Rad's favorite tactics. Make a statement, accuse others of believing that statement, then imply that it is something the object of Rad's wrath actually said by repeating the accusation.

And Rad wonders why I find him so amusing.

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GRD is not high noon. If you would like to discuss cynicism and its relation to atheism you can do so without the eye-rollingly obvious Radorth-baiting agenda. If you continue to use GRD as a character-assassination venue, this thread will be locked.

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I suggest you lock it. Or send it ~elsewhere~. Certain temptations I can't resist.
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GRD is not high noon. If you would like to discuss cynicism and its relation to atheism you can do so without the eye-rollingly obvious Radorth-baiting agenda. If you continue to use GRD as a character-assassination venue, this thread will be locked.

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I agree with Family Man. You should either move it or just lock it up right now.

This thread was not intended as Radorth bait and I would have preferred if he ignored it. I did not ask for him to respond in the OP.
Even though this thread was not intended for Radorth it's he who is constantly referring to us as cynics and pushing my buttons in the process.
His name was bound to come up eventually even if he hadn't stormed in when he did to unmask himself as the perpetrator.

All I wanted to know is how the other nonbelievers felt about this and if cynicism was a factor in their atheism.

I suppose I should have asked this question on a private board.:banghead:
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Hello Fenton Mulley,

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This thread was not intended as Radorth bait and I would have preferred if he ignored it.
in light of the first sentence of your original post:

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Someone here (I'm not naming any names ) makes it a point in almost every post to accuse us unbelievers of being cynical.
seems a bit on the disingenuous side. If you'd left that opening line out it wouldn't look so much as if you are deliberately targeting Radorth.

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All I wanted to know is how the other nonbelievers felt about this and if cynicism was a factor in their atheism.
then I suggest that you give the other nonbelievers a chance to show how they feel about the topic, which will be pretty difficult for them to do if your behavior (and Family Man this applies to you as well) causes the thread to be locked.

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(I'm pretty sure I crossposted this with a message from ld stating that she was locking the thread, but her message seems to have disappeared, so I'm leaving the thread locked as she left it).
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