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Old 04-26-2002, 08:40 PM   #21
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<strong>If time is the sixth sense, then motion is the seventh. There is no change without motion. There is no motion without duration (time). These qualia are established from atomic reactions to genetic action potential.

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I know from first hand experience that every appears to slow down in time of trauma like a car accident. This is probably due to a surge of adrenalin which heightens one's sense of time. So I think the sense of time and the sense of motion are both inextricably linked as one sense.

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But how is time different from change? Time lives in the flow of matter. Time is not a separate sense. We experience time through the five senses when we observe change in our environment. The direction of time, "time's arrow" is governed by the second law of thermodynamics. The past does not re-create itself. If it did, our perception of time would be very different. But it would still exist and it would still be dependent on the other senses. It wouldn't be a sixth sense of its own.
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So I think the sense of time and the sense of motion are both inextricably linked as one sense.
Of course they are. I will display my ignorance again, but I am thinking of Einstein's theory of relativity--how time is affected directly by the speed at which one is traveling. Think of the 'timeline'--the linear model with which we all envision time. Think of the fourth grade history timelines. Between every little 'dot'--occurance--there is a certain interval of 'dead-space' (however small); we imply motion from (hypothesizing, now) the scanning motion of our eyes, as we read; and as our cognition absorbs one idea after another... time seems to be inherently linked with motion both in the physical world and in our consciousness.

I guess I respond to it so strongly because of my artistic leanings. (of course! I say) Think of rhythmn in music--the percussion marking out moments of time, how it can have 'drive'.

Finally, I'll repeat my earlier question: are there any of you more scientifically-sophisticated types who can enlighten us with a 'non-linear' model of time? I'd be very curious to know.

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You do not display ignorance; you ask hard questions.

The philosophical problem with time is that it has two apparently contradictory existential realities. It evokes both a linear, calibrated expression and a non-linear flow of reversed orders in sequence. The first expression is clock time, which proves advantageous in explaining phenomena such as space, motion and change. The second is mood time, which expresses
a relativity of time velocity and consciousness of a contant present.

If any of us could solve this connundrum, we would get a Nobel prize! That it remains in question shows more of problems with philosophical expressions than with scientific expressions. Science proceeds, using given parameters of agreed upon deminsions, to manipulate matter. Philosophy finds it difficult to equate experience with theory.

As for your question, acceleration of linear time beyond the speed of light or deceleration as is done by certain yogis who are able to slow down heartbeat while buried alive are testimonies to the human ability to perceive time as alterable.

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<strong>I don't know how but I think the sense of time is interrelated with consciousness. The more conscious you are the slower time seems to go by.</strong>
I read about something similar to this. The warmer molecules get, the faster they move. So if the temperature of the molecules in our brain were to increase, the synapses would occur faster. We would experience more thoughts in less time. Therefore, time would SEEM to move a lot slower than it does.

The author went on to suggest that if a being existed that could withstand the tremendous, almost infinite, temperatures at the big crunch (opposite of the big bang), he would experience time slow infinitely... for that being, the universe would never *crunch*.

of course i could be completely wrong.
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If you were totally paralysed in a iron lung in a dark silent room and thus deprived of all five senses, you wuld still be capable of counting down the seconds on you mind, and you also have the same cirdadian rhythms if a scientist attached an EEG to you. So you would still retain you sense of time as long as you remain alive.
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<strong>But how is time different from change? Time lives in the flow of matter. Time is not a separate sense. We experience time through the five senses when we observe change in our environment. The direction of time, "time's arrow" is governed by the second law of thermodynamics. The past does not re-create itself. If it did, our perception of time would be very different. But it would still exist and it would still be dependent on the other senses. It wouldn't be a sixth sense of its own.</strong>
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If you were totally paralysed in a iron lung in a dark silent room and thus deprived of all five senses, you wuld still be capable of counting down the seconds on you mind, and you also have the same cirdadian rhythms if a scientist attached an EEG to you. So you would still retain you sense of time as long as you remain alive.
OK. So an EEG is a measure of physical activity. And when you count down in your mind, physical actions are taking place in your brain.
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