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Shake · 04-07-2003, 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by malai5
...we do not take ourselves that seriously.

Ahhh! There it is!

malai5 · 04-08-2003, 09:00 AM

Dear kctan.

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Originally posted by kctan
On the contrary my friend, they do overlap & also lay in 'line'. Anyway who could really say how dimensional worlds really have in relation to each other ?

Malai5)
Sorry to disagree, our information states that dimensional worlds overlay each other. They are completely separate in the physical sense, but are interconnected in relation to parallel lives lived in them. (end)

Not really, it won't relate to what you're experiencing in this dimension at all. The level of comprehensing 'things' would be completely different. Unless the dimension is close or relatively close, there maybe some understanding of what the other dimension is all about.

Malai5)
It relates to what you are experiencing in this dimension by way of your travelling back and forth in an energetic sense, the higher self and true self connection. You in your 3D world self, the self you see yourself as now, could not comprehend the different worlds, but your higher self can. The dimensional worlds do not have to be similar, as the ''you'' that is living a life in them, understands the life that it is in. All of those lives is the totalality of understanding that is your true self. The feedback that you need in any of those lives, or all of those lives is given to you intuitively via your higher self, translated and adapted to the particular world/life you need it in. (end)

Common denominator but different interpretation of all 'things' relative to their own dimensions. You can experience the same 'thing' across all the dimensions but how it really relates to each other is for all to guess.

Malai5)
Yes, your true self is the common denominator and is the receiver of all the results produced by all the other parallel lives, in all dimensional worlds. (end)

Not neccessary. You could've just stepped into another dimension & experience for yourself for awhile what's it's like viewing your previous dimension from this dimension. It could be due to the close proximity between this dimension & your current one that makes it possible.

Malai5)
All dimensions are in close proximity to eash other, in fact they are in the same position, just overlaid. (end)

Time don't play a part in parrallel existences & dimensional worlds.

Malai5)
True, time in the 3D lineal sense plays no part, as it is all happening at once. We have had it infered that there is however a ''Universal Time'', but as yet we have no information on this. (end)

That's because I've given thought to such a concept before as well as trying to visualize just how each dimension will look like. Ever try visualizing a dimension whereby it have the standard 3D plus a point which is at the same time equal to all the 3 other points ? Mind boggling infact & 'time' in such a dimension would of course be meaningless.

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Malai5)
Please do not confuse the ''length, breadth and depth'' idea of dimensions with dimensional worlds.
For instance, we have been told that the difference between a 3D world and a 5D world, is that in a 5D world the etheric is solidified, in other words, the Psi. senses are in use as a normal way of being.

Cheers.

Malai5.

Jobar · 04-08-2003, 12:03 PM

Old P'ang requires nothing in the world;
All is empty with him, even a seat he has not,
For absolute Emptiness reigns in his household;
How empty indeed it is with no treasures!
When the sun rises, he walks through Emptiness,
When the sun sets, he sleeps in Emptiness;
Sitting in Emptiness he sings his empty songs,
And his empty songs reverberate through Emptiness.

malai5 · 04-09-2003, 07:09 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jobar
[B]Old P'ang requires nothing in the world;
All is empty with him, even a seat he has not,
For absolute Emptiness reigns in his household;
How empty indeed it is with no treasures!
When the sun rises, he walks through Emptiness,
When the sun sets, he sleeps in Emptiness;
Sitting in Emptiness he sings his empty songs,
And his empty songs reverberate through Emptiness.

Dear Jobar.

Empty treasures are what the 3D world craves.
Empty treasures are left at the graves.
Empty treasures the world admires.
Empty treasures a life defiles.
Empty treasures can never provide, a life of wonder the universe supplies.
Empty treasures are just that, empty of meaning, empty of fact.
Empty treasures are all you will find unless you leave your comfort behind.
Search for the truth, the search is within, where emptiness reigns is where you begin.

Cheers.

Malai5.

kctan · 04-09-2003, 07:39 AM

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Originally posted by malai5
Dear kctan.

Malai5)
Please do not confuse the ''length, breadth and depth'' idea of dimensions with dimensional worlds.
For instance, we have been told that the difference between a 3D world and a 5D world, is that in a 5D world the etheric is solidified, in other words, the Psi. senses are in use as a normal way of being.

Cheers.

Malai5.

Hey I'm a 3d being, of course I'll tend to use 3d as a way to relate my thinkings to you. If I were to start using some other way, do you think you can understand ?

malai5 · 04-09-2003, 08:17 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kctan
Hey I'm a 3d being, of course I'll tend to use 3d as a way to relate my thinkings to you. If I were to start using some other way, do you think you can understand ?

Dear kctan.

When you read the material we post, it is designed to give you a universal perspective. If you can get your head around the view of the world, the 3D world, as being from outside of it, you can begin to see with more than 3D eyes.
The opposite generally applies, think about it.

We have gained this view by understanding the ''landscape'', how it is set out. Parallel worlds, hierarchy of dimensional worlds, the idea of three part of the self, all energetic. Little self/3D self Vs bigger self way of being in a 3D world. Droids and beings etc.
The understanding of the ''hologramatic'' nature of worlds.

All of this material is able to take you from 3D thinking to universal thinking.

''Give it a go''(thats an Aussie saying), you just might surprise yourself.

Cheers.

Malai5.

kctan · 04-13-2003, 10:34 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by malai5

Quote:

Originally posted by kctan
Hey I'm a 3d being, of course I'll tend to use 3d as a way to relate my thinkings to you. If I were to start using some other way, do you think you can understand ?

Dear kctan.

When you read the material we post, it is designed to give you a universal perspective. If you can get your head around the view of the world, the 3D world, as being from outside of it, you can begin to see with more than 3D eyes.
The opposite generally applies, think about it.

We have gained this view by understanding the ''landscape'', how it is set out. Parallel worlds, hierarchy of dimensional worlds, the idea of three part of the self, all energetic. Little self/3D self Vs bigger self way of being in a 3D world. Droids and beings etc.
The understanding of the ''hologramatic'' nature of worlds.

All of this material is able to take you from 3D thinking to universal thinking.

''Give it a go''(thats an Aussie saying), you just might surprise yourself.

Cheers.

Malai5.

I'm already thinking beyond the 3d world. I'm using 3d so that you could understand what I'm trying to convey to you. I've concepts in my mind which no words could convey, images which many would deem only the mad might have, thoughts that even my own mind keep trying to reject for the sheer incompatibility with my current form of existence. Are you in sync with me ? Can you feel the tremors in the nth (do you know where ?) region of your finitely defined infinite sense of resonating harmony (do you wish to know the concept behind this ?) ? Can your mind accept such finitely conjured infinite sense of ??? (no words to descripe) ?

Can you picture for yourself this image, first picture a cube. Divide the cube into as many parts as possible (like a picture of a cube which is made up of dots). Start stretching the dots (every individual one of them !) from all direction. As you stretch the dots apart, try to keep it as a fixed cube of fixed dimension. Ok so far ? Now start to connect all the stretched points together & try to make them all converge at the same point while keeping the cube intact with it's fixed dimension. Last, explode the cube in all direction while maintaining it's original fixed cube shape with the above stretching & connections intact. Now draw a picture of such an image. This is for a finite & expressable 'object', try using an infinite & inexpressable 'object'. Have fun.

I toe the line where mundane sanity stops & so called insanity begins, sometimes diving right in where mundane sanity & their definition of insanity does no justice to the word 'insanity'. So what's 'insanity' ? Is there really insanity or just a difference in perceiving our existence & relation to the infinite finite progression of limitless dimensions, existences & selves ?

I digress but do you dare venture into such unknown territories or have you ventured into them before ?

malai5 · 04-15-2003, 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by kctan
I'm already thinking beyond the 3d world. I'm using 3d so that you could understand what I'm trying to convey to you. I've concepts in my mind which no words could convey, images which many would deem only the mad might have, thoughts that even my own mind keep trying to reject for the sheer incompatibility with my current form of existence. Are you in sync with me ? Can you feel the tremors in the nth (do you know where ?) region of your finitely defined infinite sense of resonating harmony (do you wish to know the concept behind this ?) ? Can your mind accept such finitely conjured infinite sense of ??? (no words to descripe) ?

Can you picture for yourself this image, first picture a cube. Divide the cube into as many parts as possible (like a picture of a cube which is made up of dots). Start stretching the dots (every individual one of them !) from all direction. As you stretch the dots apart, try to keep it as a fixed cube of fixed dimension. Ok so far ? Now start to connect all the stretched points together & try to make them all converge at the same point while keeping the cube intact with it's fixed dimension. Last, explode the cube in all direction while maintaining it's original fixed cube shape with the above stretching & connections intact. Now draw a picture of such an image. This is for a finite & expressable 'object', try using an infinite & inexpressable 'object'. Have fun.

I toe the line where mundane sanity stops & so called insanity begins, sometimes diving right in where mundane sanity & their definition of insanity does no justice to the word 'insanity'. So what's 'insanity' ? Is there really insanity or just a difference in perceiving our existence & relation to the infinite finite progression of limitless dimensions, existences & selves ?

I digress but do you dare venture into such unknown territories or have you ventured into them before ?

Dear kctan.

Thats a great visualisation, almost went ''crosseyed'' doing it.
We see where you are coming from and you are doing it your way, great.
The universal way of perceiving ''reality'', is 180 degrees out of sync with what is seen as the ''norm''. Think about it.
What is seen as reality, is a series of perceptional viewpoints of all individuals. Normality, is an artificially constructed ''agreement'' of parameters of thoughts and actions.
''Normality'', varies from culture to culture, the only commonality are the ''needs'', animal and emotional.
The self imposed restrictions brought about by these ''norms'' are all that holds the whole ''pack of cards'' together. If people said what they really thought or expressed openly their intuitions and imaginings, we would ALL be considered abnormal or ''insane'', but in truth, we would ALL just be free, just be what we really are. What a wonderful world that would be. The truth of the individual would reign supreme and everyone would be free to GROW.

Cheers.

Malai5.
PS Not only do we dare to venture into ''unknown territories'', we live there most of the time. Thats what is called, living the ''universal way''.

Shake · 04-15-2003, 10:43 AM

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What is seen as reality, is a series of perceptional viewpoints of all individuals. Normality, is an artificially constructed ''agreement'' of parameters of thoughts and actions.
''Normality'', varies from culture to culture, the only commonality are the ''needs'', animal and emotional.
The self imposed restrictions brought about by these ''norms'' are all that holds the whole ''pack of cards'' together. If people said what they really thought or expressed openly their intuitions and imaginings, we would ALL be considered abnormal or ''insane'', but in truth, we would ALL just be free, just be what we really are. What a wonderful world that would be. The truth of the individual would reign supreme and everyone would be free to GROW.

Finally, here is something of yours that I can understand.

Careful malai, you're almost sounding human now!

malai5 · 04-15-2003, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by Shake
Finally, here is something of yours that I can understand.

Careful malai, you're almost sounding human now!

Dear Shake.

Contrary to the opinions of some, we are very rational people. One couldn't do what we do and not be.
The universal material we receive is given to you all untouched.
The explanations we give are translations to the 3D understanding. Thats what part of our ''job'' is. We are very aware how this world works in the 3D sense and are somewhat conversant with the ''universal'' view as well.
We are very human, but are wearing ''two'' hats.

Cheers.

Malai5.

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04-08-2003, 12:03 PM	#23
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	Old P'ang requires nothing in the world; All is empty with him, even a seat he has not, For absolute Emptiness reigns in his household; How empty indeed it is with no treasures! When the sun rises, he walks through Emptiness, When the sun sets, he sleeps in Emptiness; Sitting in Emptiness he sings his empty songs, And his empty songs reverberate through Emptiness.

04-09-2003, 07:09 AM	#24
malai5 Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sydney/AUSTRALIA Posts: 270	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jobar [B]Old P'ang requires nothing in the world; All is empty with him, even a seat he has not, For absolute Emptiness reigns in his household; How empty indeed it is with no treasures! When the sun rises, he walks through Emptiness, When the sun sets, he sleeps in Emptiness; Sitting in Emptiness he sings his empty songs, And his empty songs reverberate through Emptiness. Dear Jobar. Empty treasures are what the 3D world craves. Empty treasures are left at the graves. Empty treasures the world admires. Empty treasures a life defiles. Empty treasures can never provide, a life of wonder the universe supplies. Empty treasures are just that, empty of meaning, empty of fact. Empty treasures are all you will find unless you leave your comfort behind. Search for the truth, the search is within, where emptiness reigns is where you begin. Cheers. Malai5.

04-09-2003, 08:17 AM	#26
malai5 Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sydney/AUSTRALIA Posts: 270	[QUOTE]Originally posted by kctan Hey I'm a 3d being, of course I'll tend to use 3d as a way to relate my thinkings to you. If I were to start using some other way, do you think you can understand ? Dear kctan. When you read the material we post, it is designed to give you a universal perspective. If you can get your head around the view of the world, the 3D world, as being from outside of it, you can begin to see with more than 3D eyes. The opposite generally applies, think about it. We have gained this view by understanding the ''landscape'', how it is set out. Parallel worlds, hierarchy of dimensional worlds, the idea of three part of the self, all energetic. Little self/3D self Vs bigger self way of being in a 3D world. Droids and beings etc. The understanding of the ''hologramatic'' nature of worlds. All of this material is able to take you from 3D thinking to universal thinking. ''Give it a go''(thats an Aussie saying), you just might surprise yourself. Cheers. Malai5.

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