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Science itself is coming to understand that behaviours which can lead to religiosity may have been naturally selected. Even a group of Phd. Chemists could end up with a religion which worhsips hydrogen. Look at theoretical physics. There are religious wack-os among them today. |
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10-05-2002, 03:43 PM | #12 |
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Depressing as it is, I have to agree with sullster. (It's not depressing to agree with you, sullster, just the topic under discussion ).
The only alternatives I can see to having religion rise again are implicit atheism (I hope I am using that term right) where people are atheists because they haven't heard of religion, not because they've fought their way free of it, which would probably be difficult to maintain; or if the colony of atheists kept the concept of God alive enough to specifically educate their children against it. And if they didn't have any literature that mentions God in any way, positive or negative, that too would be a risky thing; theism might become the equivalent of teenage rebellion. -Perchance. |
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You express a characteristic ideal which traces its origin to the Enlightenment. The Philosophes of the Enlightenment believed that humans were inherently endowed with reason and that education would bring it out. They were anti-religious and viewed it as superstition. Learning was "enlightenment", and would lead man to a life of reason. They were wrong. We have to get over the ideals of the Enlightenment. Humans are not inherently drawn to reason. Reason is a tool and a tool which is not used without conscious effort. Our brains have evolved with strong currents of emotion and irrationality. Religion, not always a theistic type necessarily, will always rise, even in the most seemingly rational brains. The only type of education in our proposed colony, would be one that teaches how the human brain evolved to have such aspects and how to deal with them. Maybe, the only way to control the inevitable religious outbreak would be to channel it with chapels or such places. |
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We have had only a brief moment in time during which a small part of humanity has been exposed to the power of reason. Most people, even today, even in the West, are poorly educated in critical thinking and posses limited understanding of science. Nonetheless, there has been a decrease in religiousity and superstition in many portions of society. Many things that were once universally attributed to supernatural causes are no longer attributed to such causes. Anecdotal evidence suggests that children of nontheist parents tend overwhelmingly to be nontheist. I am surprised by the lack of confidence expressed by many posters on this topic. There is undoubtedly abundant evidence that we are still caught tightly in the grip of unreason. But what evidence is there that whatever progress science has acheived is less than permanent? |
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I think religion would form. I say this because I think that religion can serve a useful purpose. There is a need for a component of culture that serves as an example to people at all stages of their lives as to how they should conduct themselves to live in harmony with society. Religion at one time served this purpose. To bad it doesn't any more, it is far more obsessed with death than it is with life.
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In that situation God might be inclined to intervene directly to a few members of the colony to reintroduce himself. |
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Not all of them of course. Cause that would make too much sense.
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I guess this is a very subjective matter. Are you pessimist or optimist? Personally, I think that whatever motivates religion can be snuffed out in a society that adequately educates its members. I heartily agree with Galiel in that we simply haven't had enough time nor data to know the eventual outcome of such a hypothetical society. Despite that, I feel that the glass is half full.
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