davidH

Hovind - I haven't a clue who he is and have never been to his site.
Maybe I'll check it out to see what it has to say.

Another thing - if evolution was correct- what do you believe (or maybe even know)happens at death. Interesting concept that isn't it? Why should evolution result in death? Shouldn't a mutation have occurrred somewhere along the line that resulted in animals that don't die?
Also - why do we grow old - it seems that that shouldn't have happened should it?
The weaker species should've been those that died but aren't there another species that don't die?

Lol, where else in the body can you envision the brain so that it would be in a more suitable place? Where it has a smaller risk of injury?

Kevin Dorner

<a href="http://ii-f.ws/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t=001550" target="_blank">It did.</a>

Dr Rick

It appears that it is David that delights in making a fool of himself:

So what would you call it? Some of my legally blind patients whose eyesight is so poor just might like to know.

Many creatures on this planet are born with eyes that can only distinguish light from dark, and others are born with eyesight much better than ours. Regardless of the acuity of vision, these light sensing organs are called "eyes."

Not when you spout nonsense. Why should we? You present no facts to back-up your assertions, and much of what you post is just plain wrong.

How much "research" would you recommend? As little as you have done, perhaps?

This statement is not a revelation to most of us.

...such as the sky-daddy you worship.

[quote<strong>Asking me to explain it myself is an avoidance of the question. You believe it therefore you prove it to me and if it seems resonable to me then I will accept it. - As simple as that.</strong>[/quote]

First tell us what you are babbling about: are you questioning evolution, abiogenesis, or the origins of the universe?

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Yes, what happens at death to our consciousness has challenged philosophers and theologians for ages. Of course, it has nothing at all to do with evolution, but go ahead; you appear to be on a roll:

Only if it confers reproductive advantage upon the species.

No, less fit species are ones that don't produce viable off-spring.

For you personally, I would advise removing it from your...oh, nevermind, this one is just too easy.

Rick

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theyeti

No numbskull, the sun's energy comes from the fusion of atomic nuclei, not gravitational collapse! I don't think that there is any evidence that sun has undergone long-term shrinkage in recent history, though its size does occilate periodically. And it will eventually use up its fuel, but not for at least 5 billion more years. The whole "shrinking sun" argument was based on creationist dishonesty and slopiness, was discredited many, many years ago, and has been disowned by nearly every creationist organization. Did you even bother checking the links that were offered to you?

theyeti

theyeti

No, no, please don't. You are confused enough as it is. Hovind makes you look like a genius and he makes your average paranoid schizophrenic look calm and relaxed. Try going to <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org" target="_blank">www.talkorigins.org</a> instead, like many people have suggested to you. You don't have to agree with what's written there, but you should at least familiarize yourself with the basics of evolution (and basic biology) before you attempt to critique it. Furthermore, there are refutations there of common creationist claims, such as the shrinking sun argument. Make sure your claim hasn't been debunked thirty times over before bringing it up here.

theyeti

Pantera

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Is this supposed to be news to us? The sun won't last forever - it's lasted 5 billion years, and it's got maybe another 5 billion or so left. Now, how does that present a problem for evolution?

I think Zeus did it. But as to how Zeus came from nothing I'm completely stumped.

I'll save you the bother. Go <a href="http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/quotes.html" target="_blank">here</a> to see the best bits.

If you are traveling down the highway at sixty miles an hour, and turn your headlights on, how fast is the light going from your headlights? Compared to you, it is going at the speed of light. Compared to someone on the sidewalk it is going at the speed of light plus sixty miles an hour. [Einstein must be turning in his grave]

Did you know that the black suited organization that attacked the Koresh cult was a United Nations task force?

You say, “Brother Hovind, you don't believe in fire breathing dragons do you?” Yeah, you better watch video tape number three; there really were fire breathing dragons.

The Smithsonian Institute [sic] has 33,000 sets of human remains in their basement right now as you are reading this. Many of them were taken while the people were still alive. They were so desperate to find missing links, so desperate to prove their theory that they murdered people to prove it.

The Trail of Tears was where the Cherokee Indians were driven out of the Chattanooga area all the way to Oklahoma. One third of the entire nation died en route. That took place here in America as they were driven from their homes. Evolution is largely responsible for what happened to the Indians. [Trail of Tears 1838-1839. Publication of Origin of Species 1859]

Stalin's autobiography states, ...... [The book is a fictional exploration of the psychology of Stalin which is available from <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0306809974/internetinfidelsA" target="_blank">Amazon.com</a>]

Mammoths do not have any sweat glands. They were not designed for cold climates.

This man is a highly respected creationist.

Maybe it has something to do with the passage of time.

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Orpheous99

Yeah, and millions don't die from infections every year. If it were so "perfect" than we wouldn't get sick at all to begin with.

Orpheous99

The only purpose to evolution, if there is any purpose, is to allow the organism to survive long enough to pass on its genes to the next generation. Everything else is irrelevant.

RufusAtticus

DavidH,

How bout trying to back up your claim that students in Genetics programs don't believe in Evolution anymore? On the surface you are a bold faced lier. Maybe you have been dupped by someone else?

Do you really know what you believe?

-RvFvS

Quetzal

Feel free. You can share each other's brilliant insights on biology, cosmology, astrophysics, genetics, etc.

Umm, let me guess. We die?
Why not? Evolution doesn't have anything to do with it. You make it sound like evolution is some anthropomorphic sky deity with a bad attitude. I thought that was what YOU believed in. Even more basic than Oolon's cnidaria, there are some RNA sequences that seem to be immortal. After all, life is merely RNA's mechanism for creating more RNA. You didn't think we were special, did you? Besides, it wouldn't necessarily be a good thing for RNA if the hosts lived forever - where would be the incentive to reproduce? We'd be standing room only for humans, and probably knee-deep in lemmings or something equally prolific. Can you imagine how many mayflies there would be if they didn't die in 24 hours? Yechh.
Basically because the parts wear out. Copying errors multiply during mitosis, toxins build up over time, etc. Hell, you start dying from the moment of conception. Weaker species don't have anything to do with it. Evolution is not a progression "toward" any specific improvement (like immortality - which may not necessarily be a plus, anyway). The term refers to merely the mechanism(s) of allele competition in a particular environment. Weaker species lose the game, the more fit survive to pass on their alleles to the next generation. (RNA Rules!)

How about somewhere down around the pelvis? We don't need all those reproductive things that just get in the way since we're going to live forever.

You do have at least some incling of what you're talking about, right?