Harumi

It's Confucious, or Kung Fu Tzu.

Although Confused can certainly be used to describe him!

Salmon of Doubt

Oh, bloody hell. I know I wasn't going to post here again but this is too much. I have no choice in how gays are portrayed by gay leadership! I don't know these so called 'gay leaders', or how to contact them and tell them to stop whatever it is they are doing. So how do you propose I go about reforming gay people's image? :banghead:

Ok, I personally denounce these mysterious gay leaders policies, whatever they are. Now what?

Captain Pedantic

This is what pissed me off about this thread. I have to sit through being insulted by dk, but when I try to say to him back exactly what I think of him, I am the one that gets deleted.

I can see what sort of people the moderators round here are.

Kimpatsu

Yes, some of them truly are anal retentive. I've been banned from two different boards (not here--yet!) for debating woo-woos like DK. The bottom line is, the moderators want calm seas and clear sailing, so articulate rationalists who debate lucidly pose a threat to their sense of order. The woo-woos themselves don't pose much of a threat (see DK's rambling and irrational nonsense). That's why we get put upon unjustly.
I wonder how long it will take before this post gets deleted...

Harumi

Maybe because they expect more out of freethinkers?

Just guessing...

dk

I don't want to talk about the anonymous sex venues, promiscuity, fetishes, pornographic landscapes and social diseases that prosper in an HIV/AIDs epidemic under a penumbra of “Privacy Rights” that cover gay leaders with a quilt of deniability. Rather, I'd like to address the long list of ailments teen protégés suffer under the mentorship and recruitment of the Gay Rights Movement in the post-hiv/aids world. In the 1990s The Gay Rights Movement reached out to touch gay teens in public schools. At about the same time the Gay Rights Movement got access to boys in public schools hiv+ teen boys began to make the news. It is unclear to me whether the adult gay mentors failed to deter HIV/AIDs in Public Schools or transported risky behaviors and HIV from the gay community into the public schools. Today it is impossible to know because in the 1980s the Gay Rights Movement was granted a quilt of deniability. The prospect of adult gays reaching out to touch 14-18 year old boys with HIV concerns me. The quilt of deniability gay mentors take into education appalls me. I don’t care about rhetoric or strategy, I want a body count because body counts don’t lie, and I want gay mentors held accountable for the youth they touch. I want transparency and accountability to accompany access to youth, I want the quilt of deniability removed.

Why is this related to SSM?… because SSM gives to an "AT RISK" community unprecedented and intimate access to children. Gay Leaders have failed to deter HIV in their own community or the risky sexual behaviors that spread HIV, but instead lobbied to become invisible to public scrutiny. The Gay Rights Movement has parlayed AIDs sympathy into real political power, and with power comes responsibility, and the Gay Rights Movement hasn’t stepped up. Over the last 40 years schools have spent $trillions to engineer successive generations with cures for a host of social ills that touch us all i.e. war on illiteracy, poverty, racism, sexism...). The outcome of public school social engineering ranges from unacceptable to maniacal. Special interest groups, just like the Gay Rights Movement, have not been held accountable. All rhetoric aside education has taken a beating at the hands of incompetent clandestite social engineers. The Gay Rights Movement ostensively wants to engineer a solution for the problem. With all do respect to Gay supporters, the Gay Rights Movement lobbies for an inoculation of anti-homophobe called SSM that grants to the gay community intimate unfettered access to youth as a cure for HIV. It just makes no sense to me, nobody in their right mind would make a quilt of deniability, then give it to a fox to guard the chicken coop.
Is that any clearer.

yguy

http://www.actupny.org/

http://www.queernation.com/

From my perspective, these are two of the worst. If after checking them out you agree, I encourage you to give them a piece of your mind.

While you may think it unfair that you are tarred with the same brush as groups like these, that is an unfortunate reality we all must live with. It happens to those of every race, creed, etc. The only way you can overcome it is to dissociate yourself from such people as emphatically as possible - and well you should, as they are more your enemy than people like dk and myself, IMO.

Salmon of Doubt

dk, that reads like a muddled confused rant from an hysterical person determined to waffle on about anything that may even sound like it helps his point of view. Quilt of deniability? What rubbish. So no, it's not any clearer, but please don't explain further.

I originally wrote a paragraph here explaining my response, but I figure it's not worth it as you've already made up your mind and I know this discussion is going nowhere.

Yguy, I'm looking at those sites right now, What is it that you find offensive? In the second link, I've had a brief flick through, and the things I personally find offensive are the cheesiness of the cartoon, and crappy drawing. I can't find much else, but I haven't spent too long. What is it exactly that's so offensive to you?

And the first link... what's wrong with that? Is the sentiment "Money for AIDS not war" offensive? all I can find are people campaigning for more money to combat AIDS, and better educate children so they don't make the same mistakes gay people with AIDS did. What's so wrong about that?

Lobstrosity

I haven't a clue what he's talking about...something about a vast gay conspiracy that thrives on throwing HIV at children?

Well, they have your cursor constantly crapping out what appears to be magic pixie dust. Maybe he feels that they're unfairly making a mockery of the cursor and all it represents?

Salmon of Doubt

Ahh, good, that means it's not just me! I was worried for a minute I kept suddenly developing a reading disorder every time I read this thread which suddenly left me unable to comprehend an argument, and then went away again when I read other threads.

Lol! That must be it. The cursor is a sacred artefact that should not be corrupted in the honour of good taste.