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Magus55 · 07-24-2003, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by emotional

No, He doesn't ask about that. He is self-secure and doesn't care about people making fun of Him. He's not a spoilt child. It's not a good thing to do, but it's ridiculous to think you can offend God that way. The only way to offend God is to behave badly towards fellow creatures. [/B]

The way you act towards Christians with insults, mocking and ridicule falls under the category of behaving badly towards fellow creatures.

Magus55 · 07-24-2003, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by emotional
I believe and trust. Every time a Christian, for example, tells me of how God will burn unbelievers eternally in hell, I counter that by saying I trust God enough not to do as the Devil does. I believe God is a cut above being insulted by a few humans who make fun of Him.

And what do you propose God do with the people that treat Him like crap and insult Him?

Magus55 · 07-24-2003, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by emotional
You're talking about the Bible, right? Then your authority is something that other men made up. No better than mine, in principle.

However, I'm not making these things up. They come from spiritualist sources: near-death experiences and channelled books such as Spirit Teachings. Directly from the afterlife, where truth is known. Whether you choose to believe them is another matter, but know I'm not making this up.

So you believe in a book from the afterlife, and near death experiences, yet you ridicule us and say what a joke the Bible is when it is based on Revelations just like your book? By what power do you deem the Bible nothing more than a myth made by men, and your "spiritual" books, directly from the afterlife?

You emotional, are a hypocrite.

winstonjen · 07-24-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
And what do you propose God do with the people that treat Him like crap and insult Him?

Is god so weak and insecure that he must act like a schoolyard bully?

Hedwig · 07-24-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
And what do you propose God do with the people that treat Him like crap and insult Him?

*raises hand*

I know this one! How about "turn the other cheek"?

*smiles proudly*

Magus55 · 07-24-2003, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by winstonjen
Is god so weak and insecure that he must act like a schoolyard bully?

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't let someone who spent their whole life denying my existence, insulting me, breaking my laws, and being an all around jerk into my home. Sinners cannot remain in Heaven, so what do you propose God do with you?

Magus55 · 07-24-2003, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by Hedwig
*raises hand*

I know this one! How about "turn the other cheek"?

*smiles proudly*

And then God wouldn't be righteous for letting law breakers go unpunished. What do you think, this is a free ride? You just spend your life calling God a sadistic monster, and breaking His laws, and then expect to just get a free ticket into paradise?

lpetrich · 07-24-2003, 05:47 PM

River:
Even scientists believe in Eve........The Mitochondrial Eve.

That's being rather literal-minded about names. She was named because she is the most recent ancestor of all the mitochondria of present-day humanity; she lived ~100,000 to 200,000 years ago in Africa.

Mitochondria are structures that have their own genomes, though very small ones (about 16,000 base pairs out of the 3-billion-base-pair human-genome total), and they are inherited almost exclusively in the female line. The Mitochondrial Eve had shared our planet with at least a thousand other women, as concluded from genetic-diversity studies -- women whose mitochondrial lineages have died out from their descendants eventually being only sons -- if any.

There is also a "Y-chromosome Adam", on account of Y chromosomes being inherited exclusively in the male line. He apparently lived more recently than the mitochondrial Eve.

At this point, I'm sure that pseudoscientific Muslims will come up with Koranic or Hadithic "proof" that humanity had originated in Africa.

River:
Perhaps, you might want to dispute " God's first House " (the Kaaba; lots of Kaaba fairy tales snipped)

I doubt that any archeologists have ever been invited to Mecca to find out how far back its habitation goes, however.

But it will be difficult to compete with such religious architecture as

some parts of Catal Huyuk (western Turkey, ~5000 BCE)

and possibly

Cro-Magnon cave paintings (as far back as 30,000 years BCE)

lpetrich · 07-24-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't let someone who spent their whole life denying my existence, insulting me, breaking my laws, and being an all around jerk into my home. ...

Except that most agnostics and atheists are not the boors that Magus seems to think we are.

And I'm sure that an omnimax being would have a bit more magnanimity than what Magus describes; Magus seems to believe that god has a very thin skin.

Magus55 · 07-24-2003, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by lpetrich
Except that most agnostics and atheists are not the boors that Magus seems to think we are.

And I'm sure that an omnimax being would have a bit more magnanimity than what Magus describes; Magus seems to believe that god has a very thin skin.

No I don't. He gets insulted and ridiculed by millions if not billions of people, yet He still lets your live your life without judging you already. He has every right to just wipe everyone off the face of the Earth, but He is holding out for people that still will come to salvation.

God is perfect, therefore anything not perfect is offensive to Him. Let me ask you this. Would you think it appropriate for a Judge to just let a criminal go, and invite the criminal into His home for dinner and drinks? Of course not, because He is obligated to do whats best for society, and carry out justice. I don't want people in Heaven who don't want to be there or don't care about God. And neither does He. Thats why He gave you free will.

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07-24-2003, 05:47 PM	#48
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	River: Even scientists believe in Eve........The Mitochondrial Eve. That's being rather literal-minded about names. She was named because she is the most recent ancestor of all the mitochondria of present-day humanity; she lived ~100,000 to 200,000 years ago in Africa. Mitochondria are structures that have their own genomes, though very small ones (about 16,000 base pairs out of the 3-billion-base-pair human-genome total), and they are inherited almost exclusively in the female line. The Mitochondrial Eve had shared our planet with at least a thousand other women, as concluded from genetic-diversity studies -- women whose mitochondrial lineages have died out from their descendants eventually being only sons -- if any. There is also a "Y-chromosome Adam", on account of Y chromosomes being inherited exclusively in the male line. He apparently lived more recently than the mitochondrial Eve. At this point, I'm sure that pseudoscientific Muslims will come up with Koranic or Hadithic "proof" that humanity had originated in Africa. River: Perhaps, you might want to dispute " God's first House " (the Kaaba; lots of Kaaba fairy tales snipped) I doubt that any archeologists have ever been invited to Mecca to find out how far back its habitation goes, however. But it will be difficult to compete with such religious architecture as some parts of Catal Huyuk (western Turkey, ~5000 BCE) and possibly Cro-Magnon cave paintings (as far back as 30,000 years BCE)

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