Yellum Notnef

It's funny how certain Christians here don't respect you unless they think that you agree with something they're saying.

Ain't nothing like that sweet Christian love.

xian

let me demonstrate my POWER:


I have never read any of your posts (that I remember) other than this one. I do not know who you are or your views, other than one thing: you lack belief in god(s).


I shall now pin you.

1. You think that faith and science are generally incompatible and/or faith is inherently irrational

*2. You agree that it is likely (or certain) that life arose from nonlife by chance.

*3. You agree that upon your death, your consciousness and self-awareness will cease to exist

4. (IF YOU LIVE IN THE US) You get disgusted whenever you hear GW Bush pray or invoke God in a speech.

*5. You believe that the Judeo Christian God as described in the King James Bible (from what you know) is a maniac and/or child murderer and/or tyrant (or some other recognized negative immoral description)

6. You believe that an IPU is of same logical possibility as God and/or God and the IPU are identical.

*7. You know what an IPU is.

8. You agree that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" and you have read that statement and/or used it numerous times

9. You enjoy the talkorigins website and consider it a great reference

*10. You believe that there is no absolute right and wrong...and that morality is relative.

11. You believe that, in general, Christians are naieve and foolish (not all, but this is just a generalized impression you have)

*12. You get at least a small degree of emotional pleasure from belittling xians. One fun goal of encountering a xian in an atheist forum for you, is to humiliate and/or make him look stupid in subtle or direct ways (subtle ways are better for the smarter types). This gratifies you emotionally in some way and with every subtle jab you dish out- whether it be a personal one, or simply just the enjoyment of pointing out all the fallacies the xian is comitting, this has the effect of elevating yourself above the foolish xian, giving you at least a small degree of pleasure. It is the pleasure that I am predicting here in #12.

13. You agree that "The universe does not need a cause" or at least see this as a scientifically viable statement.

14. You agree that religion is a disease of the mind...and has been a plauge on our planet- a symbol of human primitiveness...and responsible for most of the violence in the world throughout history.

*15. You are inclined to think (though you do not know- you just have an inclination) that intelligent life exists outside our planet. At MINIMUM, you think that SETI is a worthwile cause.

Note: The beliefs marked with a * are ones that I am nearly certain you possess. All others are likely. My expectation and prediction: I got 7/15 of your views right (probably more)- just from one simple thing- I knew you were an atheist.

Repeat this list for all the other self-professing atheists in here.
Do i get 7/15 correct at least? How do I do on the ones marked with a *? (note: #12 is marked with a * only for Paul2. I personalized it just for him- though it most certainly applies to many others in here)

consider yourself pinned.

xian

you're kidding, right?

Stephen T-B

“This is because a professing atheist will GENERALLY have certain resulting philosophical views about the universe that are predictable as a result of atheism.”

Wow!
That really is a breakthrough.

So, atheists don’t believe a god created the Universe, or life?

This could be the basis of a doctoral thesis.

Paul2

Good guess.

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I shall now pin you. 1. You think that faith and science are generally incompatible and/or faith is inherently irrational

Depends on what faith you're meaning, as buddhism is quite compatable with science. Faith is not inherently irrational, it depends on what you have faith in.

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*2. You agree that it is likely (or certain) that life arose from nonlife by chance.

no, as i don't feel evolution is random "chance"

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*3. You agree that upon your death, your consciousness and self-awareness will cease to exist

I don't waste my time worrying about such a thing, but if one was to ask what i believed happend after death i'd respond by saying we'd go back to the way we were before we were born.

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4. (IF YOU LIVE IN THE US) You get disgusted whenever you hear GW Bush pray or invoke God in a speech.

Yes, and so should you (as a christian).

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*5. You believe that the Judeo Christian God as described in the King James Bible (from what you know) is a maniac and/or child murderer and/or tyrant (or some other recognized negative immoral description)

Yes, he fucking FLOODED THE ENTIRE EARTH. Are you daft? how can that NOT be an immoral act?

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6. You believe that an IPU is of same logical possibility as God and/or God and the IPU are identical.

*7. You know what an IPU is.
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Yup.

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8. You agree that "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" and you have read that statement and/or used it numerous times

It's pretty obvious that extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. If you have any sense at all, you'd understand.

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9. You enjoy the talkorigins website and consider it a great reference

Enjoy? it's fucking boring as hell to read. But if i needed somethign on evolution, i'd ask a biologist, not a priest. So yes, it is a good reference.

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*10. You believe that there is no absolute right and wrong...and that morality is relative.

Yes, they are just thing's we've thought of ourselves.

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11. You believe that, in general, Christians are naieve and foolish (not all, but this is just a generalized impression you have)

Most of the christians i know are great people. Some, however, need a little education. a small minority are the foolish/nieve type, though.

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*12. You get at least a small degree of emotional pleasure from belittling xians. One fun goal of encountering a xian in an atheist forum for you, is to humiliate and/or make him look stupid in subtle or direct ways (subtle ways are better for the smarter types). This gratifies you emotionally in some way and with every subtle jab you dish out- whether it be a personal one, or simply just the enjoyment of pointing out all the fallacies the xian is comitting, this has the effect of elevating yourself above the foolish xian, giving you at least a small degree of pleasure. It is the pleasure that I am predicting here in #12.

No, but making someone look stupid is only a biproduct of correcting their mistakes. Do i enjoy making someone look stupid? not usually. I'd be doing them a disservice if i let someone go uncorrected.

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13. You agree that "The universe does not need a cause" or at least see this as a scientifically viable statement.

I tend to think that there is some sort of a "cause" for the big bang, what that cause was, i don't know. I'd wager it had something to do with quantom mechanics, not an invisiable sky daddy

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14. You agree that religion is a disease of the mind...and has been a plauge on our planet- a symbol of human primitiveness...and responsible for most of the violence in the world throughout history.

Nope, there are a handful of religions i have alot of respect for.

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*15. You are inclined to think (though you do not know- you just have an inclination) that intelligent life exists outside our planet. At MINIMUM, you think that SETI is a worthwile cause.

Haha, seti is a waste of time. We should try to find inteligent life here on earth first. But i think it is possible for there to be life, intelligent or not, somewhere else.

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Note: The beliefs marked with a * are ones that I am nearly certain you possess. All others are likely. My expectation and prediction: I got 7/15 of your views right- just from one simple thing- I knew you were an atheist. Repeat this list for all the other self-professing atheists in here. Do i get 7/15 correct at least? How do I do on the ones marked with a *? (note: #12 is marked with a * only for Paul2. I personalized it just for him- though it most certainly applies to many others in here) consider yourself pinned.

But seriously though, i want the 5 mins of my life back that i wasted replying to you.

xian

you're kidding, right? By the way, this question was not about evolution in the sense of mutations...but about the beginnings of life. you saying it was "directed" then? if so, by what/whom?

AndresDeLaHoz

Brush up on the statistics.

According to probability, if you took 100 random people from the U.S. population, there should be around 12 atheists.

According to probability, if you were shown 100 random people, you could make the generalization that 10-12% are atheists.

An ability would be that, if shown 100 atheists, you could determine, without asking anything, that they're 100% atheists.

But picking 100 atheists and identifying 90% as atheists? Whoo hoo.


As someone already said, it could mean atheists are more consistent with their beliefs and attitudes. Skepticism, freethinking, etc.


And still, I don't see how this applies to "identifying atheists in a mob". What mob? A mob of 100 atheists, in which you identify 90? Whoo hoo.

Not that these controlled tests you "conducted" even make sense, anyway. The questions are ridiculously obvious.

xian

uhhh.not exactly. this would be a double blind test. additionally, i would not know how many atheists were in the room...i just picked the number 100 for an easy example

lets say you put 30 in the room with 70 theists. i would be able to identify probably 25 of the 30 atheists. pluck them like a ripe cherry, so to speak.

Yellum Notnef

Lol!

A big hook will soon be coming at you from behind the curtain to "pluck" you off the stage. Please don't try to resist it.

AndresDeLaHoz

What he's indicating is that the question is misleading. Life arose from nonlife by the laws of chemistry, not by chance.