FRDB Archives

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.


Go Back   FRDB Archives > Archives > IIDB ARCHIVE: 200X-2003, PD 2007 > IIDB Philosophical Forums (PRIOR TO JUN-2003)
Welcome, Peter Kirby.
You last visited: Yesterday at 05:55 AM

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-21-2002, 01:34 AM   #11
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: England
Posts: 5,629
Post

Pagans and Christians by Robin Lane Fox is a good book about what religious life was like, and how Christianity differed from pagan religions.

It is a while since I read the book, but I can recommend it.
Steven Carr is offline  
Old 08-24-2002, 04:13 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Southern US
Posts: 817
Post

Quote:
Originally posted by Bede:
<strong>A rather shorter and more scholarly piece on pagan copy cats (which sadly, I didn't write myself):

<a href="http://www.bede.org.uk/frazer.htm" target="_blank">Christianity and paganism</a>

Yours

Bede
<a href="http://www.bede.org.uk" target="_blank">Bede's Library - faith and reason</a></strong>
R-e-a-l-l-y, Bede do you honestly think this is a good piece????

For this reason:
Where is the discussion on Mithra? Seems to me the author "hints" at Mithra with the following:

Quote:

I cannot think of a single case in which Christianity can be shown to have borrowed a core doctrine from another religion. This does not include minor borrowings which everyone admits, such as the dating of Christmas to 25th December (an old Roman sun-festival), or the use of holy water and incense in worship, or the wearing of wedding rings, or dedicating churches to named saints (just as pagan temples were dedicated to different deities). In such cases, the borrowings were not clumsy or furtive. Rather, they were deliberate and unashamed. A good example is the Pope's use of the old Roman chief priest's title 'Pontifex Maximus', a title which the Christians deliberately appropriated to emphasise that their religion had defeated and replaced Roman paganism.
Notice these little "minor" exceptions all apply to Mithra.

Also, Mithra was a RESURRECTED god!!! (Something the author seems to imply was original to Jesus.)

And these are not MINOR coincidences: Besides the Dec 25th birthday celebration, etc, here are a few other 'similarities' the author seems to be unaware of:

* Mithra was rejected for his message of salvation and executed by authorities.

* Mithra was resurrected back to life after 3 days, and his followers were hopeful that they in turn could be resurrected to eternal life.

* Mithra had a "last supper" among his followers.
During the Mithraists' rite of the Last Supper , a sacred meal was comprised of secret bread and a
cup of water or wine.

*Like the Christians, Mithraists used to call each other "Brother" and address their priests as "Father."

*Some fifth century Christian texts imply that there may have been a Mithraic myth that spoke of the appearance of a star which would guide the sun-priests, or Magi towards the birthplace of their savior Mithra.

*Some scholars believe they see similarities between the rock of generation that gave birth to Mithra, and the rock on which Jesus built his church.

*Mithraism apparently imposed a strict ascetic eating and sexual lifestyle (at least in some locales). Tertullian wrote that the head
priest of the city ("summus pontifex") could only marry once. Tertullian also wrote that, as with the Christians, the Mithraic cult had their "virgins and their continents."

* Baptisms and purification rituals from ones sins seem to have played an important role.

Come, come Bede -- I think you can do FAR better than this author!

Please let us know if you think this author was REALLY HONEST when he excluded Mithra from the list of Greco-Roman gods? I don't see it! I will await to see if your response can show me where I am wrong!

for a discussion on Mithra, I refer you to:
<a href="http://mac-2001.com/philo/crit/GREEK3.TXT" target="_blank">http://mac-2001.com/philo/crit/GREEK3.TXT</a>

taken from:
<a href="http://mac-2001.com/philo/crit/index.html" target="_blank">http://mac-2001.com/philo/crit/index.html</a>

Sojourner

[ August 24, 2002: Message edited by: Sojourner553 ]</p>
Sojourner553 is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:19 AM.

Top

This custom BB emulates vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.