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Doubting Didymus · 12-18-2002, 07:56 PM

About bloody time. This will make the internet a useful research tool, as well as a massive global pornography database.

Albion · 12-18-2002, 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by Principia:
Just out of curiosity, how do people here at Infidels not affiliated with an academic institution catch up on scientific literature? Do public libraries typically subscribe to big name journals like Science and Nature?

Well, my husband has a subscription to Science through being a member of AAAS, but I have personal subscriptions to Nature and New Scientist as a result of getting involved in these debates. Plus I get to read a lot of microbiology papers in my job, but most of them are research papers and they don't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Quetzal · 12-19-2002, 05:37 AM

Well, although they're not Science or Nature, there are a few journals that are already doing this. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Evolution, Genetics (after 3 mos), Journal of Virology (after 6 mos), Molecular Biology and Evolution (after 12 mos), etc. There are quite a few journals that are available free on line after a year that are of interest to the E/C crowd. It may not represent the most immediate, latest, etc, but for most of us we don't have time to read every single issue of interest as soon as it appears anyway. And for debates, the only time you need a newest edition is when some breakthrough or new report comes out that the creationists have seized on (read: misinterpreted). Beyond that, even abstracts (available free through pubmed and other portals) are usually enough for creationist-bashing. They're not likely to read (or in many cases understand) the article anyway...

Feather · 12-20-2002, 07:46 AM

It's about damned time. Subscription rates to science journals are absurd (many leaping into the hundreds of dollars per year). I cannot afford this, being a student. Fortunately I can just leech the publications from my professors and go to the science library, &c.

This doesn't help science in general, though. I'm glad to see this change coming.

Friar Bellows · 12-22-2002, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Principia:
Just out of curiosity, how do people here at Infidels not affiliated with an academic institution catch up on scientific literature?

I go to <a href="http://arxiv.org" target="_blank">http://arxiv.org</a> to catch up on physics/astronomy.

RBH · 12-22-2002, 05:43 PM

Morpho wrote

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Well, although they're not Science or Nature, there are a few journals that are already doing this. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Evolution, Genetics (after 3 mos), Journal of Virology (after 6 mos), Molecular Biology and Evolution (after 12 mos), etc.

Have links right to hand for us deprived (not to say depraved) folks, please?

RBH

Quetzal · 12-23-2002, 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by RBH:
Morpho wrote Have links right to hand for us deprived (not to say depraved) folks, please?

RBH

But of course! Anything for the cause:

<a href="http://www.pnas.org/" target="_blank">Proceedings</a>

<a href="http://evol.allenpress.com/evolonline/?request=index-html" target="_blank">Evolution</a>

<a href="http://www.genetics.org" target="_blank">Genetics</a>

<a href="http://jvi.asm.org" target="_blank">Journal of Virology</a>

A very useful search engine/site for scientific articles is Stanford U's <a href="http://highwire.stanford.edu/" target="_blank">Highwire</a> (requires a free registration). It's also a Medline/PubMed portal.

KC · 12-23-2002, 05:08 AM

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Originally posted by Principia:
Just out of curiosity, how do people here at Infidels not affiliated with an academic institution catch up on scientific literature? Do public libraries typically subscribe to big name journals like Science and Nature?

I subscribe to Evolution, it's around $80 a year. But their articles are available online. I just like to underline and earmark pages, and read during my lunch break.

KC

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12-18-2002, 07:56 PM	#11
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	About bloody time. This will make the internet a useful research tool, as well as a massive global pornography database.

12-19-2002, 05:37 AM	#13
Quetzal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ecuador Posts: 738	Well, although they're not Science or Nature, there are a few journals that are already doing this. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Evolution, Genetics (after 3 mos), Journal of Virology (after 6 mos), Molecular Biology and Evolution (after 12 mos), etc. There are quite a few journals that are available free on line after a year that are of interest to the E/C crowd. It may not represent the most immediate, latest, etc, but for most of us we don't have time to read every single issue of interest as soon as it appears anyway. And for debates, the only time you need a newest edition is when some breakthrough or new report comes out that the creationists have seized on (read: misinterpreted). Beyond that, even abstracts (available free through pubmed and other portals) are usually enough for creationist-bashing. They're not likely to read (or in many cases understand) the article anyway...

12-20-2002, 07:46 AM	#14
Feather Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 1,827	It's about damned time. Subscription rates to science journals are absurd (many leaping into the hundreds of dollars per year). I cannot afford this, being a student. Fortunately I can just leech the publications from my professors and go to the science library, &c. This doesn't help science in general, though. I'm glad to see this change coming.

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