John Page

Jonsey3333:

My deity goes up to eleven, so it is the greatest.

Sojourner553

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I will let others speak for me:


"If God has spoken, why is the universe not convinced?"
--Percy Bysshe Shelley

"It's hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by
bolts of lightning." – Calvin

"When one reads Bibles, one is less surprised at what the Deity knows than at
what He doesn't know." -- Mark Twain

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in
delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." -- Carl Sagan

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Actually it is fine for me to hear others say they "hope" for a creator; but a little naive/insincere to hear one say they "know"--"really" know-- the creator exists. You merely "hope" you know.

Sojourner

Adrian Selby

<a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/existence/" target="_blank">http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/existence/</a>

predicating existence, or the impossibility thereof, is a little muddier an issue than it first appears, and it doesn't seem so obvious that existence is not a predicate at all.

I hope this precis is useful.

Adrian

Kip

I suspect I am over my head here.

If we cannot deny that existence is a predicate, do not absurd consequences follow?

For example, if, among the attributes I define "God" as possessing, I include existence, therefore he exists, how is this relevantly dissimilar than including existence as an attribute I define a palm tree on the moon as possessing? But no one would conclude that this palm tree exists. Indeed, if existence is a predicate, what prohibits us from defining, and therefore creating, any absurdity we imagine?

Synaesthesia

I haven't taken a close look at Kant's argument, but I don't really understand why existence cannot be a predicate in the intensional sense. Could anyone clear this up for me?