The AntiChris

Slowly, but surely, you're catching on.

Chris

Calzaer

Yet another completely baseless unsupported assumption. Facts not in evidence out the wazoo (but he gets pissy if WE start assuming them).

Oh, wait, I'm sorry. I forgot. That the homosexial rights morement is more pedophiliac than the RCC is one of those "intutitive inborn knowledge" things that not everyone is in touch with, in spite of it being intuitive and inborn. :banghead:

yguy

For those to whom this is not apparent, it would perhaps be helpful to ask when the RCC ever conferred any honors on an outspoken supporter of NAMBLA. I rather doubt they have - which cannot be said for the organizers of the San Francisco Pride Parade, which made Harry Hay its Grand Marshall in 1999. Interestingly, the sfpride site has a feature labeled "search gay web" which presumably searches sfpride and other "gay" sites...and for which the keyword "nambla" yields exactly zero results. Could it just possibly be that the leaders of such organizations have seen fit to keep their ties to NAMBLA a secret from the membership?

Tangentially interesting is the fact that David Tseng, recently appointed head of PFLAG, had this to say about Mr. Hay's death:

http://www.pflagmontereycounty.org/N...c02/Nov02.html

NOTE FROM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
by David Tseng, PFLAG Executive Director, Washington, DC, November 1, 2002
<snip> We also remember the leadership and vision of Harry Hay, a pioneer in GLBT activism, who passed away this week at the age of 90. A founder in the early 1950s of the Mattachine Society, one of our country's first GLBT community organizations, and a relentless advocate and demonstrator, Hay helped lead the way to erase both discriminatory laws as well as the social stigma that we and our loved ones faced. <snip>

Dr Rick

The Metropolitan Community Church of New York, the New
York Times and the Los Angeles Times all lauded and honored Mr Hay's work for the gay community, too.

Amen-Moses

I can't find anyone who didn't.

I can imagine that Hay would be a NAMBLA supporter, after all he was himself still a boy when he had his first lovers and thoroughly enjoyed himself. But if anyone can find ANY mention of him supporting pedophilia or child abuse I will be very suprised indeed.

(I'll just reiterate for the hard of reading that pedophilia is NOT underage sex but sex with pre-pubescents)

Amen-Moses

yguy

This is either an incongruous attempt to defame these organizations, or one of us is profoundly less intelligent than the other has thought heretofore.

Amen-Moses

I don't think that is humanly possible!

Amen-Moses

Calzaer

No, you simpering incompetant, it's just the truth. Are you saying all these organizations also support pedophilia? That's what you said about PFLAG... but these folks did the exact same thing.

yguy

Please, young man, do be hip enough to camoflage your insults with innuendo like the rest of us.

Produce the quote, please.

It looks pretty bad. To the extent they laud his "achievements" and downplay his proud association with the vilest creatures on the planet, they are, at the very least, providing media cover for them whether they mean to or not.

Dr Rick

False dichotomy.

The purpose of pointing-out these facts was to show that it wasn't just gay organizations that honored the Hays inspite of his support of NAMBLA. Yguy posted:

A loaded question, at best, because while the RCC didn't honor him, other groups and even another church did. Yguy attempted to implicitly defame the gay rights movement with his post, but if the lauding of Mr Hay's damns those that do so, it also damns these others.

Yes, AM, Hays was an outspoken supporter of NAMBLA, a fact which drew him many critics within the gay-rights community. He was also an ardent communist, but hopefully even yguy won't immedicately leap to the conclusion that all communists support pedophilia.