Mageth

Originally posted by Magus55
How would you know what justice is? Did you create the universe and all the laws its bound by? You have no clue what justice is - the only concept of justice you know of, is in the country you live in, which is hardly perfect justice.

With your logic, of course, you can have no clue as to what justice is either.

And the evidence isn't overwhelming against it - There is absolutely no evidence against the Christian God at all. You can't disprove Him.

Umm, we don't have to disprove him - the onus is on you to prove him. Get it?

Of course there's no "evidence" against him. What do you expect, anti-evidence? There's no "evidence" against leprechauns, either. Nor against Allah, Vishnu, Thor, Jupiter, etc. Must we believe in them?

What there is are contradictory attributes assigned to him (omnibenevolence and hell-tossing, not to mention omniscience/omnipotence/omnibenevolence and suffering). Logically such a god is contradictory, and thus doesn't exist.

In any event, there's absolutely no evidence that the Christian God exists, so the rational stance is to assume he doesn't exist.

And what makes you think the torment in Hell will be the really bad part? Physical pain is less severe than emotional and mental/spiritual. Jesus endured arguably one of the most painful torture and execution methods in human history, yet none of the physical pain compared to the agony He endured when God the Father turned away from Him because of the sin he carried. That hurt Jesus more than any of the torture ( hence why he screamed God, why hast though forsaken me).

Not that old song and dance again. What is it with Christians and their fascination with suffering? Christ had to have suffered terribly, Christ had to die, and now we unbelievers all have to die and suffer horribly as well. Suffer, suffer, suffer, die, die, die, blood, blood and more blood. It's enough to make you sick. What kind of a screwed-up god would make such a world?

It's odd that an all-powerful being that supposedly suffered so much, that knew what it was like, would ever let billions of beings go through even worse suffering for even one minute, let alone all eternity.

His suffering was naught compared to the suffering of many others. He "died" rather quickly for a crucifixion and less than 40 hours later was up walking around again, better than ever, and given glory by God (read the NT - your claim that Jesus gained nothing by his sacrifice, which I've seen you make, isn't biblical).

Mageth

Originally posted by Magus55
Read Mageth's response - He doesn't just have lack of belief, he is confident that the Christian God doesn't exist.

Yes, I lack belief in god(s), including your God. But your particular God is so unbelievable and contradictory that, yes, I'm confident it doesn't exist.

That's a rationally sound position.

Those who lack belief, don't care either way.

Huh? Who says I care? What does caring have to do with it? I'm just exercising my evolution-given reason.