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Philosoft · 09-18-2002, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by Amos:


Well if you would ask a medical student to examine "The creation of Adam" by Michelangelo he would tell you that the backdrop of the painting is the human skull and the rest shows the intricate details within the human skull. Adam was painted outside of this backdrop and maybe that is why you don't seem to know who is pulling the strings in your life.

Congrats, I am well and truly lost. Are you actually thinking about the same topic from post to post?

09-18-2002, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by Philosoft:


Congrats, I am well and truly lost. Are you actually thinking about the same topic from post to post?

Sorry but I thought that a picture was worth a thousand words.

Ron Singh · 09-19-2002, 03:17 PM

Sorry Philosoft, for being so sloppy in expression,

You can never experience anything fully, because you are not God. For instance, I can never truly know what it is to be Jobar unless I am Jobar, and still, you do not truly know what it is to be you, because you are merely experiencing that which you perceive, in relation to your previous experiences. In short, you can experience, and always have experienced God, but never can you experience God unlimitedly. You can know of God, not know God.

You can never not experience God, because then, you would fail to exist. All things, matter, energy, motion, are from God, and hence there is nothing that is not from GOd.

--Sincerely, Ron

Philosoft · 09-19-2002, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Ron Singh:
Sorry Philosoft, for being so sloppy in expression,

*shrug*
Quite alright. You'll see it from me as well, I'm sure.

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You can never experience anything fully, because you are not God.

Okay. So what part of say, Mt. Rushmore, am I unable to experience?

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For instance, I can never truly know what it is to be Jobar unless I am Jobar, and still, you do not truly know what it is to be you, because you are merely experiencing that which you perceive, in relation to your previous experiences.

Well, to say you can't share the perceptions of another entity is trivially true. But I can experience Jobar, inasmuch as he is available to my senses. You are packing more into the word "experience" than is necessary.

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In short, you can experience, and always have experienced God, but never can you experience God unlimitedly.

I find it impossible to call any of the things I have experienced by the letters G-o-d. There are no things that I have experienced that require me to invoke God. What sort of indicators should I be looking for?

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You can never not experience God, because then, you would fail to exist. All things, matter, energy, motion, are from God, and hence there is nothing that is not from GOd.

I'm sure this is somehow comforting, but how do I derive God from the things I experience?

Jobar · 09-19-2002, 07:30 PM

An omnipresent god could never be an object. It would be impossible for such a deity to point to anything outside of itself- there would be literally nothing else existent.

This is the sense in which God is known as "I Am."

One of the standard exercises of Buddhism (IIRC) is to attempt to pinpoint your *self*. Are you your body? Your brain? The thoughts within your brain? Look for your self- it cannot be found! When examined this closely, it seems to be equally valid to say either that one's self is nothing- or that one's self is everything. *Thou* (the subject) art *That* (the object.)

09-19-2002, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by Jobar:

Look for your self- it cannot be found!

If you look hard enough and do find it you'll be given a scorpion because "it must find you."

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09-19-2002, 03:17 PM	#23
Ron Singh Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 163	Sorry Philosoft, for being so sloppy in expression, You can never experience anything fully, because you are not God. For instance, I can never truly know what it is to be Jobar unless I am Jobar, and still, you do not truly know what it is to be you, because you are merely experiencing that which you perceive, in relation to your previous experiences. In short, you can experience, and always have experienced God, but never can you experience God unlimitedly. You can know of God, not know God. You can never not experience God, because then, you would fail to exist. All things, matter, energy, motion, are from God, and hence there is nothing that is not from GOd. --Sincerely, Ron

09-19-2002, 07:30 PM	#25
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	An omnipresent god could never be an object. It would be impossible for such a deity to point to anything outside of itself- there would be literally nothing else existent. This is the sense in which God is known as "I Am." One of the standard exercises of Buddhism (IIRC) is to attempt to pinpoint your self. Are you your body? Your brain? The thoughts within your brain? Look for your self- it cannot be found! When examined this closely, it seems to be equally valid to say either that one's self is nothing- or that one's self is everything. Thou (the subject) art That (the object.)

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