Gandhi the Hun

I just have some simple questions that you have all probably heard before.

First of all, why would an infitely good and powerful God allow things like the Holocaust to occur and murder in general? Is god being obligated to give all humans free will the reason for allowing such acts of "evil" to occur? If so, wouldn't this mean that God's omnipotent "goodness" is limited?


Another thing, for all you theists who are Christians, what is your stance on "who gets into heaven" and for what reasons? I am not a Christian (or a theist for that matter), but I have always understood that if someone excepts Jesus as their personal savior, they get to heaven no matter what, even if they commit terrible acts of murder or something. From this I conclude the following, God/Jesus is a dick who is only "omnipotent" and "good" enough to forgive those who worship him. Seems pretty retarded to me...Any Christians care to explain?:huh:

forty2oz

I'm not a Christian but I'll go ahead and speculate that it's all a bunch of BS.

Gandhi the Hun

Maybe so (yeah I think so), but I still want to know from a theist's perspective. I'd ask my sister but she gets offended when I ask questions like this and her answers amount to nothing.

forty2oz

I would suggest asking Santa Claus. At least we know he's real and hopefully capable of dialogue (since he at least interacts with the material world on a yearly basis).

temeraire

Man alienates himself from God and declares that he doesn't need God. God says, OK, get on with it (hence evil), and I'll prove you can't manage your own affairs.

Later, God steps in with Armageddon to rescue the situation, dump the evil, bring everyone back to perfection (as Adam was), then the final test as perfect humans when Satan is let back out. If you pass, Paradise, if not, second death (total destruction).

BUT, you know how equally wrong and reprehensible it is when someone condones wrongdoing, particularly when the have the authority and the power to stop it? They are equally guilty.

God condones wrongdoing, because he allows it to continue. As God is supposedly all love and justice, ergo NO GOD. (But there is a Santa).

Just a thought.

Gawen

The most heard and basic answer is "God works in mysterious ways. We can't know the mind of God".


You're not going to get too many answers with that attitude...*chucklin*.

Gandhi the Hun

What kind of attitude do you want from me? I am just saying the way I see it.:huh:

RAFH

Tie her up and make her watch Mr. Rogers until she talks.

Merlin

From a perspective of eternity, God's love is infinite.
The holocaust is a very small event when compared to eternity.


All it takes is to humble yourself enough to do things God's way, rather than trying to conform Him to your way.

Gandhi the Hun

That is an interesting way to think about it. thank you very much 8]. But with the holocaust and stuff, the perspective of the "hugeness" of eternity does not make the whole moral and human issue any more insignificant. Let's say you are a helpless Jewish victim of the holocaust and your life is more terrible than you could ever imagine. You think "WTF! What is the point of this? Why would God allow so much undeserved suffering and evil? And why me?" Then someone comes along and says "It is okay, in the grand scheme of things your suffering is insignificant" Something there just doesn't make sense. It is like God thinsk to himself "well all of the Jews are being slaughtered, but since everything is eternal I have an infinite amount of chances to show love to others some other time". Pray tell, how much evil and terrible things does the world have to put up with before "God" intervenes?