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Old 03-05-2003, 04:19 PM   #351
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What I am saying is that it is obvious that certain things we observe in nature are purposefully designed by an intelligent being.
What can you infer about that being? Absolutely sod all, that's what.
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Keith What I am saying is that it is obvious that certain things we observe in nature are purposefully designed by an intelligent being.
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Keith We can't know every part of God's plan for the universe because we don't need to know every detail for our sense of purpose and for our happiness, and we wouldn't comprehend every part of God's plan even if he told us.
So what Keith is telling us is that purposeful design is obvious to him, even though his God's purpose behind the design is incomprehensible to him. The cognitive dissonance has to settle in for you at some point, Keith.
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"If that is the case, then you can NOT automatically attribute the design to god, as you can not tell if the design is too 'good' to have come from elsewhere. The raelians believe that living things were genetically engineered by extraterrestrials. How can you place your god-design hypothesis over theirs if you can not say anything about how good the design is?"
Can they back up their claim with any evidence?

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"So you can tell living things were definitely designed, but you can not say anything about whether it's good design or bad design?"
I can know that God will always do perfect work and therefore, that everything he designs will be perfect according to his purposes. Beyond that, I can't say much more.

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No not a shred. Can you back up yours?
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No I doubt they can, can you provide any evidence for your belief in "god did it"? go on don't be shy give it a try

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I can know that God will always do perfect work and therefore, that everything he designs will be perfect according to his purposes. Beyond that, I can't say much more.

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You have a habit of responding only select portions of posts. The purpose of my argument was to demonstrate that if you can not say whether the design is good or bad, then you can not say that the designer was a good designer or an amateur. Given that, how can you automatically say that it was god, and not the raelians extraterrestrials?
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I can know that God will always do perfect work and therefore, that everything he designs will be perfect according to his purposes. Beyond that, I can't say much more.

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LOL. OK, I was expecting that pathetic excuse. And having heard that, I think I'll take a break from this discussion. Keith is clearly grasping for straws now.
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