Rational BAC

No internal struggle at all.

It is called compartmentalism. One of my favorite Presidents, Bill Clinton, was very good at this.

It does make life much simpler and internal conflicts non-existant.

BadBadBad

To compartmentalize is to separate into isolated compartments. You're not doing that. Faith and rational thought on your core beliefs are not isolated. The Faith compartment hopelessly corrupts the rational thought compartment. Hence your term quasi-rational. Hence your reluctance to admit the irrationality of all your arguments on positive religious belief. Hence the the inability of your rational thought process to come to it's inevitable conclusion and discount the possibility of God altogether.

BadBadBad

I like this Benjamin Franklin quote, and I'll post it again:

"To see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."

You're trying to see with both eyes open at the same time. One is covered by the lense of faith. The other by the lense of rationality. The faith eye dominates your interpretation of positive religious beliefs. If I ask you about your faith, you give a clear response without the influence of rationality. If I ask you about your rational view, it's the weaker eye. You try, but you can't really focus on what you see through the eye of reason. It's view is hopelessly distorted. You need to shut the eye of faith to get a clearer view, but you refuse to do that. It's very difficult to understand since, according to you, the entire rest of your purview is through the eye of reason including all of what you throw out from traditional Christianity.

Why on this one subject does the faith eye dominate? I don't think you've given a satisfactory answer, and perhaps I'll never be satisfied with any answer you might give.

Edited: to add some further thoughts after I came back from lunch!

River

Rational BAC has an IRRATIONAL and BIASED mindset .


You should witness what he said about Christianity/Islam in this Thread.


[The Real Rational BAC exposed ]

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=4

BadBadBad

He's admitted his religious beliefs are irrational, and I didn't see anything he posted here where he was trying to make a rational argument in support of his beliefs. The fact is he's probably trying to stir up Magus more than you anyway.

Biased? Everyone is biased.

The thread you posted is RBAC in prime form. Rationally throwing out Christian doctrine like shit out of a goose. Let's pop the top on a cold one and philosphize about the poetry of the Bible stories. Life's short and then you go to heaven for all the sex you ever wanted. Sure why not. If you want to see RBAC exposed, read BBT's posts at the beginning of this thread.

Just recognize everything he says as an emotional, wouldn't it be nice if, I kind of like to think that ..., spiced up by some fervent imagination kind of thing. Oh, and let's see if this will stir up some atheists and fundies, and then let's pop the top on another cold one and watch all the commotion. If he'll just stay away from arguing that kind of thing on a rational basis, then hey, I like it.

Rational BAC

The Real Rational BAC exposed? What an expose!!! I am so shocked at myself.

Hell---- I didn't think any part was ever hidden. Certainly not in that thread. If any of that thread condemns me somehow for somehow hiding my true self-------I would like to know how. Posts like that are me through and through.



Some of my best stuff there. Very proud of almost all of it. (Should have left off the corkscrew penis part though.)

Rational BAC

BBT's posts at the beginning of this thread expose me?

You do realize that this was a very long thread. I don't want to go back through the whole thing, but I think I started out trying to make a case for my core beliefs being rational, ended up being outargued on the subject, and finally gave up on the whole project--------You know you haven't put out a good enough case when even you don't believe your side of it.

I think I did say something of the sort that "I give up, you win for now------at least till I can come up with some better arguments"

Of course none of that means a whole lot to me as far as my core beliefs. They are faith based and essentially irrational anyway. I would like to make a good case for the rationality of my core beliefs. Someday I might even think of something better than what I have now. -------Boy will you all be in big trouble then.

Till then-------I still have my faith to sustain me in those core beliefs. And do not have to be rational about that part.

And I still have my rational, unbiased, unaffected-by-faith or dogma side to try and determine for myself what I think is correct and what is incorrect about the rest of Christianity.

Rational BAC

Ah yes------The Age of Reason--

Fascinating time in history. And Ben Franklin was one of the best proponants of the anti-clerical anti-Christian sentiment so popular at the time. (Voltaire was better at it though)

(One of the strangest ironies in history is that the very rational anti-established-religion Voltaire and the sentimentalist Christian Jean Jacques Rousseau (life-long enemies) are buried side by side together in the Pantheon in Paris. The French have a strange sense of humor.)

BadBadBad

Like I said, Prime RBAC.

BadBadBad

You bet they do. He was right on the mark about you trying to rationalize your irrational core beliefs and why you do it. He was right on the mark about the irrationality of all your arguments in favor of your positive beliefs in Christianity.

Here's what you said:

What I heard you say was I "let you win" to make you feel good about yourself, which isn't the same as you win, you're right, I was wrong. You haven't given up either. You're still trying to rationalize your irrational core beliefs. You're convinced they are irrational, yet you're convinced you can rationalize them. I don't think we have much to worry about the big trouble you're promising. Religion hopelessly irrational.

You use reason to rule out what you don't believe. You don't use reason to determine what you do believe. You're trying to see through the blue lense of reason, but until you close the red lense of faith, you never will. The eye of faith and emotion is dominate for you. Try as you may to see through the blue lense of reason, most things with respect to religion look red or purple to you. This was the debate with BBT. This was the debate with me. You haven't answered to any of our arguments, and you haven't admitted defeat. The discussion has been very enjoyable and enlightening, however.