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Old 06-12-2003, 06:25 AM   #31
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Here's coverage from sciencedaily.com:

160,000-year-old Fossilized Skulls From Ethiopia Are Oldest Modern Humans

and the original press release upon which all these articles are ultimately based:

160,000-year-old fossilized skulls uncovered in Ethiopia are oldest anatomically modern humans
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Old 06-12-2003, 06:29 AM   #32
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I am a bit surprised by the name of the subspecies which new fossils where attributed to: Homo sapiens idàltu.

I don't ever recall a scientific name with an accent mark before. Are the nominclature rules being relaxed?
In the original press release, at least, the subspecific epithet (correctly) does not have an accent, although the word upon which the epithet is based does have an accent. So no, nomenclature rules have not been relaxed, any more than have the spelling rules.
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I see many of these articles stating that these three fossil finds are another "nail in the coffin" for multi-regionalism. Some such as Asfaw say that the Out of Africa model has now been tested and that we can conclusively say that Neanderthals went extinct. How do these fossils prove that recent out of Africa people did not interbreed with those already there? Because the y-line and mtDNA say so?

That's only 2 lines is many millions. The y-line suggests a common paternal ancestor just 60,000 years ago, but noone is saying that we are not descended from other homo sapiens who had different (and now extinct) y-lines of that period. The only place where multi-regionalists disagree with the Out of Africa model is in its exclusion of the possibility of admixture between African, European and Asian archaic humans. Unlike the Out of Africa model the media is swallowing, Chris Stringer's Out of Africa model doesn't exlude this possibility, but he states that its negligible. Future DNA studies and fossil finds may shed more light on it and but as of yet, the multi-regionalists still have a lot of vitality and by no means has the final nail been hammered into their coffin
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No wonder God said human wisdom was foolish - He was dead on.
Well, I spoke to God on the phone this morning, and he has assured me that he was only referring to his believers, and that he was embarassed by your incompetent critique. He also told me he was actually quite impressed with the wisdom of atheists, and was beginning to question his own existence. Or maybe that wasn't a true communication from God after all.

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Or maybe "It's a talking snake! And a magic fruit!"
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Except my source is outside of the natural world, where those things can happen.
While talking snakes and magic fruit are indeed rare, there are plenty of talking (and typing) fruits in this here world.

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I have nothing scientific to add. My critique is the fox news article. (AP actually)

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They agreed with White that the skulls' age and appearance strongly support genetic evidence that modern humans arose in Africa between 100,000 and 200,000 years ago -- and not at multiple locations in Europe, Africa and Asia as some researchers suggest.
But, what did Tim White actually say?

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"Now we have a great sequence of fossils showing that we evolved in Africa, and not all over the globe," said Tim White, a paleoanthropologist at the University of California at Berkeley, who headed the team.
The words arose and evolved are not the same thing and give different meanings.
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Your source is a bunch of Bronze Age fables that are hopelessly outdated and even contradict basic laws of nature.
And where did those basic laws of nature come from? Is there a senate that presides over the universe and writes all these laws for which the universe follows?
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And where did those basic laws of nature come from? Is there a senate that presides over the universe and writes all these laws for which the universe follows?
That makes no less sense than what you believe.
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And where did those basic laws of nature come from? Is there a senate that presides over the universe and writes all these laws for which the universe follows?
Laws are descriptions, not prescriptions.
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Is there a senate that presides over the universe and writes all these laws for which the universe follows?
All you've done here is switch from a monotheistic stance to a polytheistic one. Do attempt to educate yourself.
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And where did those basic laws of nature come from? Is there a senate that presides over the universe and writes all these laws for which the universe follows?
Yes, it's called "reality".
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