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Shadowy Man · 02-23-2003, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Keith
You know God on some level because he has created the universe in such a way that it clearly displays order, design, and purpose.

This is false.

Keith · 02-23-2003, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by John Page

"Below is what I posted - where do I say it is "true"?

You say "If this is true.....", well, its true for me and it makes sense to me and this is what I know. Knowledge is subjective w.r.t. the individual, not universal. If you don't know this and choose to disagree with me thats fine and rather agrees with what you're disagreeing with. I hope this is sufficient explanation from an atheist."

Now I'm really confused. If knowledge is subjective and not universal, could it make sense to argue about the existence of God, or argue about anything?

Keith

Keith · 02-23-2003, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by Shadowy Man

"This is false."

How do you know it is false?

Keith

Shadowy Man · 02-23-2003, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by Keith
How do you know it is false?

Keith

Because I am a professional astrophysicist and talk to and interact with many other professional astrophysicists, whose careers are to intently observe the universe and try to understand the way in which it works, and exceedingly few of them, if any, believe that the universe clearly displays design and purpose. The apparent "order" of the universe has been explained, very successfully, by our current physics theories.

I'm sorry that the universe makes no sense to you without a god, but frankly, that's not my problem.

John Page · 02-23-2003, 02:55 PM

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Well then, if some views are more correct than other views, who gets to determine which view is most correct?

Nobody. We each get to determine our own.

JGL53 · 02-23-2003, 04:34 PM

The question here seems to have turned from 'Can atheism explain anything?' to 'Is Keith a human or a robot intelligence?'

I think everyone has been sucked into having a debate with a (christian) computer program.

The Keith program is now offically more irritating than Ann Coulter. Congratulations to it.

It's always seemed to me that Marxists and Randroids, like a lot of fundamentalist literalist christians, can't think, or rather can't think for themselves, but only parrot the party line over and over again until everyone just throws up and goes home.

Maybe the Keith program can get together with the Marxists and the Objectivists on a new thread addressing the questions 'Is there an objective truth, or is all truth subjective?' and 'Is MY objective truth truer than YOUR objective truth.'. Maybe the strange loop thus created would wind so tight it would implode, then explode like a superduper supernova and destroy all of reality. Yeah, that's the ticket.

AnthonyAdams45 · 02-23-2003, 05:20 PM

I like it. I like it a lot!!

AnthonyAdams45 · 02-23-2003, 07:07 PM

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But they use it without recognizing the source of reason (God).
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How is God the source of reason, that is, what are the necessary connections that tie reason to a divine entity?

And I thought we were getting somewhere before you left me for all the debaters.

Giorgia · 02-23-2003, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by JGL53
The question here seems to have turned from 'Can atheism explain anything?' to 'Is Keith a human or a robot intelligence?'

I think everyone has been sucked into having a debate with a (christian) computer program.

The Keith program is now offically more irritating than Ann Coulter. Congratulations to it.

LOL!!!

I usually read these debates for a while only to mine them for posters who show they have really substantive ideas, and I then follow them to other threads.

I had to laugh and comment about your "robot" quip: my opinion is that Keith is a clone ... of Radorth. Sadly, that may actually be an insult to Radorth... Arghhhhhhhh!

ReasonableDoubt · 02-24-2003, 09:23 AM

Being more irritating than Ann Coulter...now that's an amazing feat!

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JGL53 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outer Mongolia Posts: 4,091	The question here seems to have turned from 'Can atheism explain anything?' to 'Is Keith a human or a robot intelligence?' I think everyone has been sucked into having a debate with a (christian) computer program. The Keith program is now offically more irritating than Ann Coulter. Congratulations to it. It's always seemed to me that Marxists and Randroids, like a lot of fundamentalist literalist christians, can't think, or rather can't think for themselves, but only parrot the party line over and over again until everyone just throws up and goes home. Maybe the Keith program can get together with the Marxists and the Objectivists on a new thread addressing the questions 'Is there an objective truth, or is all truth subjective?' and 'Is MY objective truth truer than YOUR objective truth.'. Maybe the strange loop thus created would wind so tight it would implode, then explode like a superduper supernova and destroy all of reality. Yeah, that's the ticket.

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ReasonableDoubt Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 86	Being more irritating than Ann Coulter...now that's an amazing feat!

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