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Old 06-09-2003, 07:57 AM   #11
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Default Re: Re: Intelligence Community Denies Admin claims on Smokin' Gun Trailers

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With the incompetence agencies like the CIA have shown over the past few years maybe it is time that they be disbanned and something completely new, free from politicial influence, and competent take their place.
It will never happen. The CIA and FBI are fronts for the Powers That Be. They are likened to foils. The identity of the "real" intelligence organizations will never be known. They are ten steps ahead and always will be.
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The report also notes that, in order to produce biological weapons, each trailer would have to be accompanied by a second and possibly a third trailer, specially designed to grow, process, sterilize, and dry the bacteria. Such trailers would "have equipment such as mixing tanks, centrifuges, and spray dryers"�none of which were spotted in the trailers that were found. The problem, the CIA acknowledges, is that "we have not yet found" these post-production trailers.
So in other words, if the two trailers that were found were combined with trucks that could be used to make biological weapons, then you would have a facility that could be used to make biological weapons. Some smoking gun...

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The war was claimed just by the Bush administration on the basis of eminent threat. "Maybe could be" is bullshit!

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I find the claims of "could have been used for ..." to be complete and utter bullshit. We can analyze some chemicals at what? Parts per billion easily. If the labs were used for chemical weapon production, no problem locating the evidence. Look for any nook or crany in the sytem and analyze the gunk. Used for bioweapons? How much DNA is needed to identify the microbe?

If the Iraqis were able to clean this well, the food industry alone would pay big bucks for their expertise - it would be nice to have ZERO contamination of processing equipment.

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This article covers similar ground;

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Questions over the claimed purpose of trailer for making biological weapons include:

� The lack of any trace of pathogens found in the fermentation tanks. According to experts, when weapons inspectors checked tanks in the mid-Nineties that had been scoured to disguise their real use, traces of pathogens were still detectable.
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Now that the White House and #10 Downing have been outed on WMD, and it's plain to anyone with a brain that this was about BP Amoco and not Al Qaeda, it was to be expected that the punishment of the innocent would begin. Now the White House and Blair are trying to spin this like the intelligence agencies misled them into going into war when the opposite is the case. In June of 2002 the DIA's report said "there is no credible evidence that Iraq has WMD." By September they were over-ruled. In May of 2002 an investigation begun by Cheney's office concluded the documents about Iraq trying to obtain Nigerian Uranium yellowcake were forgeries, but in the State of the Union Address Bush recited it anyway when he already knew it was nonsense.

The war was about oil, oil, oil, and on top of that, oil. And our politicians don't have the guts or integrity to say so, and they know damn good and well the intelligence agency front line analysts never concluded there were WMD when members of both the Senate and House intel committees say they were never presented any evidence. But now well have a mock investigation into our intelligence failures when the reality is that the heads of the agencies did their master's bidding.

There is no way anyone from BIR, DIA, CIA or NSA can come forward on this without reprisals and they all know it. Yesterday when Stephanopoulos asked Condy "If My Lips Are Moving I'm Lying" Rice if intel personnel could come forward without retribution she dodged the question by answering "I'm sure George Tenet would like to hear what they have to say."
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But Loren, the whole point is that they are not burglary tools. They are just ordinary tools that the Admin has pressured the intelligence community into claiming are burglary tools.

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Exactly! That is like if the police were to find a lighter(and nothing else) in your purse and claim that it could be used to smoke crack and insist that you in fact smoke crack because they found a lighter. Without the crack and/or a crack pipe, all you have is a lighter. You should not be accused of being a crack-head.
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Lest we forget Bush's claims during the January 28th, 2003 State of the Union Address:

Iraq WMD claims from George Bush�s January 28 2003 State of the Union:

25,000 liters of anthrax � found to date - none

38,000 liters of botulinum toxin � found to date - none

500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. � found to date- none

30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical weapons � found to date � 16 empty field artillery warheads out of an ammo dump stacked with tens of thousands of hells.

Several mobile biological weapons labs designed to produce germ warfare agents. � found to date � two trailers that analysts at the scene dispute were germ labs.

An advanced nuclear weapons development program � a vague claim, but no evidence.

A design for a nuclear weapon � my Compton�s encyclopedia also has one .

Working on five different methods of enriching uranium for a bomb- no evidence so far.

�Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa� (Cheney�s own office investigated this claim and concluded it was a fraud in May of 2002, seven months before the State of the Union Address).

King George has employed weapons of mass deception, knowing what all leaders know: hype a threat, wave the flag, accuse peacemakers of treason, invoke the deity, get the peasants to kill the other peasants and steal what little they have while they're not looking.
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Default WMDs or alleged WMDs

I found Rice's comments over the weekend interesting. She said we've known about these WMDs for a decade now and there's no question about them. Seemed to me at the time she was referring to the UN's role as well. Now the UN has credibility I guess.

And it was either her comments or Powell that took things a step further by stating that there's no new information to be found, with regards to Congressional investigations, that Congress knew everything the Administration knew and voted for war as a result. This is a transparent attempt to spread the blame, and indicates a redirection in Administration strategy.

Lastly, it's clearly time we stop talking about WMDs and start talking about alleged WMDs.
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Loren

The war was claimed just by the Bush administration on the basis of eminent threat. "Maybe could be" is bullshit!

Martin
I find it hard to believe that anyone could not see that Iraq posed a threat. The time frame of that threat was a big question mark but if we didn't act someday we would find ourselves staring down the barrel. It was also obvious that diplomacy wasn't going to work. Thus it comes down to use force or hope he dies first.
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