BLoggins02

Iesus,

Great slippery slope you put together, I like it. I like it alot

Kevin Dorner

IesusDomini: <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> Excellent piece of writing! <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

bluefugue

See, Creationists don't have a monopoly on bizarre chains of logic...

Atheist121

1. More intelligent people
2. A better education system (one that requires people to think in addition learning)

It's obvious that no amount of evidence will convince them. Of course, most of them don't even look at any evidence, but people generally don't like reading science books. More importantly, most Creationists I've seen don't understand basic principles of evidence, and furthermore are clueless about how science works. But like the round Earth, heliocentric solar system and other past goofs, I think it will once again take time before religion accepts more things that have a basis in reality

Dr Rick

IesusDomini; truly an outstanding piece of work. May we have your permission to use variations of this in responding to letters to the editor or in other non-Sec Web forums?

Rick

bluefugue

Sure, but don't expect me to come to its defense if some creationists want to start a debate over it.

sensate

Like many debates the way to win is not to convince the other side but rather to win over the undecided and uninformed middle. The YEC may not want to give up but I believe that we can make evolution the majority opinion among non-scientists. While we may have had evidence for evolution for over a hundred years I am not sure that we have had good science education for everyone for as long. It may sound simplistic but education is the key and YEC know that. Over time we will give the YECs an education in evolution whether they like it or not. They will get to experience becoming extinct and I can think of no better example of evolution for them than that.

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The Resistance

An act of God.
j/k

babelfish

iesus domini:

I have to add my kudos to those of the others (above). Great writing! I've also often wondered why creationists are so willing to reap the benefits of the scientific method (by driving cars, having medical procedures, taking medication, using computers, etc.) while at the same time talking smack about science itself.

You can't have it both ways!

joedad

Well, I'd also like to offer my kudos.

Indeed, we still have creationism because we still have creationists, not the other way around. I cannot see fundamentalist religion ever receding totally into myth unless, on average, and as others have stated, people become more intelligent, perhaps yet once again.

When Christianism replaced Paganism in Roman times, it was only a change in loyalties, not a change in methods. Authoritaianism survived, contrary to what many christians might think, and it is this legacy of christian authoritarian statecraft which we are still living to some degree in creationism.

But the cat is indeed "out of the bag," with the birth of secular democracies such as the U.S. represents. Yes, it's that historical atheistic bias come alive big time. The debate about creationism is secondary to the rise of an awareness about basic human freedom and responsibility, allied with science, which religionists borrow from heavily to build their creeds.

But you said it much better. <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

joe