Gemma Therese

Why is that?

Walter_Mitty

Dear acquaintance,

Before you become a nun you may wish to bone up on your own religion's dogma. It is fairly obvious to one who studies this dogma, even on a topical level, that the church has indeed changed positions in regards to Hell. Early church history clearly indicates that the church once believed in some type of physical torture--not mental, as you would suggest.

Curious, because if the "Holy Spirit" is guiding the "infallible" Pope--not to mention the Cardinals and Bishops--one would think that they would all agree on what Hell
is.

Though I question the validity and reliability of your prayer, I do appreciate the sentiment. To that end I respond with: have a nice day.

-Bib

Bluenose

I will not.

BTW anytime we want to change history/"truth" we can go back before this calendar year ends and edit something lofty, profound or silly into the virtual record..............like the Ministry of Truth in "1984" or the Great Soviet Encyclopedia or the Vatican's official list of saints or popes, etc <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

Proxima Centauri

Try praying instead for your 'Holy Catholic Church'. Pray that those criminal priests will stop touching up little boys and girls. Pray that they will come to a true and lasting repentance, or a healthly fear of what the law could do to them.
Pray also for those criminals higher up in your most Christian Church. Pray for those who cover up the offences of paedophile priests while yet more children are damaged pray that they will come to a true and lasting repentance.
Those who cover up offences are arguably more guilty than the paedophile priests. The paedophiles are sometimes in the grip of a compulsion which makes them very dangerous but may give some excuse. Those who cover up the offences do not suffer from the same compulsion.
On second thoughts they may also suffer from a compulsion. They have been brainwashed by long term membership of the Catholic Church. This stops them seeing moral issues the way non-Catholics or non-Christians see them.
Discuss paedophile priests with other Catholics in your congregation and ask them to add their prayers to yours to make the prayers stronger. It matters. The children are suffering. You believe prayer can help improve things.
Will your prayers do any good? From a theological point of view I don't know, I'm an agnostic.
From a practical point of view I'm sure it will do good. The Eminent Cardinals, Archbishops and Bishops show little sign of caring what happens to the children. They will care if priestly paedophilia is widely discussed and is bringing the Church into disrepute.

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Proxima Centauri

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gemma Therese:
[QB]You are in a state of mortal sin. To die in a state of mortal sin, according to Catholic theology, warrants eternal damnation. (Of course, I cannot think for God or make decisions for Him; that in itself is sinful.)

I care deeply about you all -- for you are human beings. I would not wish hell on anyone. It isn't a joke. St. Teresa of Avila said she would die a thousand times over to save a single soul from hell.

I pray for God's will.

Gemma Therese

DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO HELP THE SUFFERING VICTIMS OF PAEDOPHILE PRIESTS OR YOUR SIN OF OMISSION MIGHT BRING YOU INTO A STATE OF MORTAL SIN! SO TEACHES YOUR RELIGION


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Walter_Mitty

I wonder if the "powers that be" would consider changing my moniker to IIDB Irregular?

bonduca

It's that atheist thing, hon. You remember that.

Eudaimonist

Then why did you say you were praying for God's will? Wouldn't it make more logical sense to pray for our wills?

Proxima Centauri

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gemma Therese:
[QB]To die in a state of mortal sin, according to Catholic theology, warrants eternal damnation. I care deeply about you all -- for you are human beings. I would not wish hell on anyone. It isn't a joke. St. Teresa of Avila said she would die a thousand times over to save a single soul from hell.
Gemma Therese

You would not wish hell on anyone. I agree with you. No human being deserves eternal suffering, not even Hitler, not even the fiends behind the Spannish Inquisition. Many Christians care deeply for those who, they believe risk eternal torture.
In this they are better than the alleged God they believe in.
With your sweet childlike faith you believe an all knowing and all loving God created hell knowing who would wind up there. The all knowing and all loving God created people who, he knew would die in mortal sin and would wind up in hell?
None of this makes sense. The only logical conclusion is that God as believed in by Roman Catholics does not exist.

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Autonemesis

And I want to let you know, Gemma, that I still have my tinfoil hat, and it is still effective at stopping the Lawd's power rays from penetrating my skull.