yguy

As wonderfully as it has in Holland?

Grad Student Humanist

Meaning? How exactly has legalization damaged Holland?

And beter yet, how has the War on Drugs improved America?

fatherphil

don't know about holland, but if america's war on drugs has limited the number of drug users i would consider that a benefit. but that's only my "opinion".

yguy

Holland's libertine attitudes regarding vices of all sorts has made it vulnerable to Islamofascist influence, so that it is now, ironically and tragically, in danger of coming under sharia law.

Majestyk

Theists just pick a string of facts and conjecture and cling to it, don't they? It must be nice to wander around in a warm and fuzzy world where you don't have to consider all aspects of a situation, in order to reach an opinion.

Philosoft

Does that "benefit" outweigh the cost of fomenting a violence-ridden drug-pushing subculture that provides the profit necessary to equip these groups with the weaponry to escalate said violence?

Abel Stable

What on earth are you talking about?? Just because Holland has a large (& growing) Muslim population doesn't mean the country is going to be overrun by "Islamofascists". Give me a break.

Dr. Retard

Suppose God were to appear and say, "Hey, humans, give me your laws, and I'll start enforcing them. I'll enforce them strictly, to the letter of the law, but you can always change the laws any time you want. And you don't have to pay me a thing! I'll do it just to help you guys out, free of charge."

Then, maybe (I say no), it would be a good idea to criminalize drugs. God could make drugs (boing!) right into lollipops whenever people tried to use them. Or he could (boing!) users right into prison as soon as they smoked some terrible weed.

But this hasn't happened, though some people in the thread seem to think it has. They ignore enforcement costs, black markets, corruption, organized crime, and all the rest. All this stuff could be wished away if God were enforcing our laws. But he's not. Magic wishing won't make it so.

Grad Student Humanist

Oh please. Who are you? Do you work for Bush's Dept of Homeland Propaganda, trying to spin this into a terrorism issue?

Neither Holland, nor any other European country, is in danger of turning into a Muslim state. Muslim immigration to Holland is causing some problems, but they have nothing to do with the "libertine attitudes regarding vices."

Legalization of drugs in Holland has resulted in a country where neighborhoods haven't been taken over by drug dealers, citizens aren't being jailed for non-violent drug offenses, people's freedoms and rights are resected, and Dutch children are less likely to become addicts and alcoholics since they live in a society with a modern, rational and mature attitude toward drugs and other consensual adult behavior.

They also live in a society without a bunch of self-righteous and busybody Xtians running around, trying to impose their moral values on everyone else so that they can feel better about themselves.

Farren

This is quite the best argument I've heard from you yet, yguy!

Broad mindedess and tolerance creates a fertile breeding ground for fundamentalist Islam? Great Scott!

How do we stop this evil alien menace? Implement a fundamentalist christian theocracy, of course!