Calzaer

Bad, Badfish, bad! No buscuit!

What would you say if a Muslim said the exact same thing to you about Allah?

Now why do you think we'll react ANY differently?

You, as a Christian, have two tasks. I've never met a Christian who can accomplish both of those tasks simeoultaenously.

1) Prove there is a God
2) Prove that your God is better than everyone else's God.

In order to attempt 1, you have to assume 2 as a given ("The fact that you're alive in this beautiful world is proof of God!" says a Bob Jones University evangelizer. "You're right! Praise Vishnu!" I say). In order to attempt number 2, you have to assume 1 is a given (among a lot of other facts-not-in-evidence). At no point can anyone I've met even attempt to take on either task without pretending the other one is already solved.

Pascal's Wager is the EPITOME of attempting Task 1 and just assuming Task 2 is irrelevant. Pascal's Wager should, theoretically, apply to ANY AND ALL god systems. But it never seems to come up in an attempt on Task 2.

Godless Dave

Except some gods don't care if you believe in them or not. To the Great Cthulhu, it is completely irrelevant whether or not you believe he exists; believers and non-believers all taste the same.

Badfish

Is that your best? So you aren't taking the chance and you worship Thor?

Badfish

Well that should tell you something about false Gods

Calzaer

"What part of 'I'm right, they're wrong' don't you understand??"
-Allah

Paperstreet

The thing is, no one really knows which Gods exist... they may say they do but they don't. Your taking a HUGE risk worshipping God and not Allah, Vishnu, or any other God.

Godless Dave

No, I'm taking the chance that none of the Norse gods exist. Even though it's kind of an affront to my ancestors, some of whom were probably killed by Christians for clinging to the traditional beliefs of my people.

I'm also taking the chance that none of the Greek gods exist.

I'm also taking the chance that Ahuru Mazda does not exist.

I'm taking the chance that the Great Spirit of the North American Indians does not exist.

I'm taking the chance that Osiris, Horus, Set, Isis, and Ra don't exist.

I'm taking the chance that Allah doesn't exist.

I'm taking the chance that Yahweh and Elohim don't exist, whether or not they are they same god.

I'm taking the chance that the Christian God does not exist.

I'm taking the chance that the Hindu gods do not exist.

I'm taking a chance that the Aztec gods do not exist.

etc.

etc.

See my point?

njhartsh

...And so are you, Badfish. That's what the Problem of the Wrong God is. Get it now?

By the way, the PotWG is merely the most colorful flaw in the Wager. There are plenty more...

- Nathan

Badfish

Well there is no empirical or written text that any of those God's have inspired as a show of any kind of sovereignity, only the Christian God has made sure his word has been spread worldwide.

As to the OP.

You believe in Christ, repent, die, go to heaven, very easy.

Ab_Normal

What about the Qu'ran?