uhcord

Ditto vagrant.

Only a few thickheaded people I talked to would not budge (including my teacher). People understanding and agreeing with me being the majority, thank god.

Usagi_Tsukino

Well, remember Newdow began this before Bush was even in the White House. It's just unfortunate timing. But even in a less volatile political climate, I think that the same reaction would have occurred. This had to happen sometime, and while it may not result in the end in a happy outcome, that at least this court had the courage and intelligence to make the correct decision will be a defining moment in years and battles to come. At the very least, it is making people ask the right questions (such as "what about our money and songs like GBA?"), even if the wrong answers are automatically assumed...

uhcord

Dangit - stop being so pessimistic people!

LIBERTY MIGHT PREVAIL

Ah, who the fuck I am kidding. We are screwed....

Anunnaki

I didn`t know when Newdow actually got the court involved,but I figured it must have been a while ago since it normally takes a long time for the courts to act.

I guess I can`t blame Newdow since he had no way of knowing that America would be a great big revival tent by the time the courts got around to dealing with this. I just can`t get over how bad the timing was. It would have probably been bad whenever it happened,but not quite this bad.

note to self:
Don`t put that comical bumper sticker about jesus on the car today.

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braces_for_impact

Granted, the timing sucks. But, I think now it's time to sink or swim. Our civil liberties are on the line. Congress talks of overturning a court ruling. The media would rather shake public confidence in our own court system than admit to being biased. Our freedoms are whittling away, especially since Sept. 11th. This is just another facet of it all. I fear the backlash as well. It seems really, really hostile out there right now. I would seriously hesitate to state my lack of belief outside my own walls at this point. But if we fade back into the shadows now we are beaten. I say get behind this guy. Do not slink away, or we will lose any ground we have ever gained.

I think maybe deep down we all talk of the government taking our freedoms away, but we thought somebody, somewhere would prevent it from happening. Well, this guy tried, and to abandon him now will verify what mosts theists already think of us. That we care only for ourselves, that we don't exist in foxholes, that because we don't worship, we won't fight for what's right.

Did you hear the congressional chaplain's prayer before congress this morning? Where he said that as a nation we ALL express our patriotism by saying the pledge of allegiance and acknowledging and being accountable only to god? Did you hear Bush say that he believes that morality comes only from god and he plans to fill the judiciary benches with judges that feel the same? I have never seen such a blatent religious agenda. I for one thought I would never see the day when Jerry Fallwell would be brought out as an expert on the constition in the media.

The courts today have just ruled that your tax money can fund a low income family putting their kid through a religious school. Then they'll overturn these "two little words". Then ID will creep into the classrooms, and after that, what's next?

In closing, part of me agrees, maybe this issue was to frivolous to start with, maybe it really isn't a big deal. But then I thought, where would you start? You have to start somewhere. As all this has already taken place, might as well be now.

VIVA LA REVOLUCIONE'!!!

Crazeegirly

Vonmeth and Anunnaki ~ thanks for clearing that up for me. I'm going to set the record straight on the email list I'm on. It really burns me up that the poster (on my email list) made it sound like he was serious!!

Crazeegirly

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Bad Religion

I think it may hurt in the short run for atheists, but when does something of value ever come easy? I think we need to stand behind Newdow and not cower to these people. Come on people, grow some damn backbones!

Autonemesis

I don't think it's a bad time. Or a good time. Only that it's about time.

People are talking about it. That's more than what could be said on Monday.

Anunnaki

Yeah they are talking about it,but everything they say is bad.

Hopefully the negative knee-jerk reactions will subside in the next few days.

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wildernesse

Nothing will ever change if good people, like yourselves, do not stand up and say what you believe in--and why! As a Christian, you may say that I have nothing to lose in telling you to go out and make yourself uncomfortable. But aren't you uncomfortable now anyway? If you never take a risk for what you believe is right, then you support what is wrong. And that is something all Americans should think about.

When is the right time for wrongs to be righted? The answer is always NOW. When should discrimination end? NOW. When should hatred and abuse end? NOW. When should all people have equal rights and freedoms? NOW.

This topic opens debate. Most people who step into a debate without information or thinking about the topic will say what ever is on the top of their head. And knowing how many stupid/lazy people there are, the answer is bound to be stupid/lazy. See evolution/creation threads on any board to be further convinced of this argument.

I'm not saying that you should endanger your family or yourself--just don't hunker down and not talk to your family, friends, co-workers, and others about your deeply held beliefs, thoughts, and feelings. Communicate!

--tiba