Salmon of Doubt

Ah, I see we're back to this again. Clearly this discussion is going round in circles if you're still going on about this crap <sigh>

Captain Pedantic

Why doesn't someone lock this awful thread?

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yguy

Until you can quote anyone here implying that all homosexuals are pedophiles, you are a dog howling at the moon.

dk

I never got it straight, was it the PGM’s (pro gay marriage) perspective that normal men rape (<) 16 year old boys, or that gay boys usually solicit older men asking for it. Maybe "rape" spins a homophobic connotation, and in these instances should be called intergenerational sex, or adult adolescent sex, or adult child sex. A few questions…

1. Does a 7, 8, 9, 10 or 11 prepubescent year old have a normal sexual experiences if the man that rapes them turns out to be bi, homo or normal?
2. If bisexual and homosexual rapists are normal, then does that make child rape normal?
3. Should the APA consider in a pedophilia diagnosis the “long term distress” of the molester?
4. Are PGM's allowed to express decent on the issue of pedophilia without becoming homophobic?

Salmon of Doubt

Why are you talking about rape? I'm not talking about rape. I don't think anyone else who advocate gay marriage is talking about rape, or marriage and sex between minors. So why are you talking about it?

(edit- I think this thread should be locked too, then I wouldn't feel compelled to waste my time responding any more! Maybe it would be better served to split the discussion up into sub topics, so dk can discuss child rape somewhere other than a thread about marriage between consenting adults)

dk

Well what about intergenerational sex, child adult sex and or child adolescent sex, are these examples of rape, statutory rape, pedophilia or normal gay sex?

I know it makes you uncomfortable but gay adoption and SSM give gay men intimate access to children. The gay caucus of the APA (American Psychological Association), gay academics, gay leaders, several prominent gay journalists,,, etc... promote pedophilia as normal sex. Over the last 10 years hiv/aids has been transported from gay communities into public schools by gay associations, and that impugns the good will of the whole Gay Rights Movement making it a part of the SSM debate. Around the dogma of Gay Orthodoxy the PGM crowd acts like herd deprived of their individuality by a mob mentality.

dk

By the way, through the course of this thread the "folk psychology" of "gay and lesbian" orthodoxy took a beating. All the criminal evidence indicates pedophilia, rape and statutory rape are overwhelmingly male disorders, rare in females. Apart from our trip down the evolutionary ladder to define down human deviance with the animal kingdom nobodies offered a substantive rebuttal or a coherent alternative. PGM's don't let that bother your pretty little heads.

Treacle Worshipper

That do ya, yguy?

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DK, you really need to get it through your head that homosexuality does NOT equal paedophilia.

Gay men are men who are sexually attracted to other ADULT males.

Any man who is attracted to pubescent or pre-pubescent males is a paedophile NOT a homosexual.

Do you understand?

TW

dk

TW women are rarely pedophiles, and boys are raped about 10% less often than girls, so about 97% of all the boys raped and molested are treated to an homosexual experience. Many, if not most, of the perpetrators were sexually assaulted themselves as youths. The evidence makes gay procreation an unavoidable issue in this debate about SSM despite the dogmas put forward by gay orthodoxy.

The Other Michael

If people continue to make personal attacks instead of attacks against arguments, that will happen.

Let me remind everyone that if you have a problem with the behavior of another user, you need to use the "report to moderator" button in the offending post, and the moderators will take care of the situation in what we view is the appropriate fashion (and that may mean not taking any action at all).

I don't understand why those of you who are tired of :banghead: don't just bail out of this thread. It looks pretty obvious to me that no one is going to be swayed from his/her position, no matter how compelling an argument you make (or think you are making).

But as long as people want to keep making the attempt, and the parties on both sides do an acceptable job of following the IIDB rules (eg. no personal attacks/comments directed at another user) we'll let this thread limp along.

It is actually kind of fascinating, in a gruesome trainwreck kind of way.

Michael
MF&P Moderator (Maximus)