Eric H

Hello Shadowy Man

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So what? I have a pretty good feel for the personality of the X-Man named Wolverine, but that doesn't mean he exists outside of a comic book or a movie.


I would start worrying if he did exist outside of comic books and movies, one more fruitcake on the loose, who needs them.

Peace

Eric

Infidelettante

Dewar's neat, thanks. I'm not the one who needs to come up with a reason for it all. That would be you. So far you score nil.
Find me a reason in the Bible other than the one I posted and you could raise that score to...well, you can't. I'm cute but not stupid. Chapter and verse. All the verbiage doesn't change the fact that your God did this for the most trivial of reasons: he didn't want to get his hands dirty. Defend him if you can.

JT

Corona688

Eric, you still haven't responded to my point.

You are saying how god would want things, and saying tha'ts how things are, therefore God must exist.


Essentially, you're saying:

1) If P, then Q
2) Q, therefore P

This is **WRONG**. P is a subset of Q; there can be Q without P without invalidating this argument form.

Eric H

Hi Corona688



Trying to prove God’s existence seems a futile quest, because all proof seems to stop short of being absolute.

I believe in a God, but I obviously can’t prove his existence, even to myself let alone anyone else.

My whole argument rests on if and only if there is a God.

What would be the greatest purpose to create the universe and life as we see it?

Peace

Eric

Eric H

Hi Corona688

Sorry for not answering your post directly, I suppose its because when I post something, there are a number of posts in opposition. I do try and reply as best as I can but its not easy.


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Skip all the ‘what ifs’.

Believing or not believing in a God or Gods is a reality

Often people can be very passionate about their beliefs, they can be a very powerful influence on what we do, so they can’t be ignored.

You could almost say that reality has nothing to do with beliefs, yet people will die for what others may say are unfounded beliefs.

We recognise the difference in the person who dies while trying to help others in some way, and the person who dies while trying to harm others.


Peace

Eric

Eric H

Hello JT



There is no defence against such reasoning, other than to say, we both see the same thing, but from a very different perspective.

Peace

Eric

Shadowy Man

Replace "comic books and movies" with "the Bible" and that's exactly how I feel about God!

Kubulai

then you are in the wrong place. you are far more likely to get the responses you want at a theist forum.

I'm sure pretty mushc everyone else would agree, you are more than welcome here, but don't expect us to adopt your belief in order to critique your sermon

Corona688

No. You made them, you answer them. Without them you have no argument.
Or, maybye it isn't. Reality has the unfortunate habit of doing whatever it sees fit, no matter WHAT anybody believes.
So what?

I think you're missing the point here... you're saying that theism and atheism are binary opposites, and thus equally valid beliefs in the absence of absolute evidence. That's where your reasoning breaks down - because:

Atheism is the absence of belief in gods!

And belief, by definition, is certainty in the absence of evidence.

It takes NO belief at all to say that GODS DO NOT EXIST. Moreover, this statement is testable. If someone were to prove the existence of god, this statement would be objectively false. The inverse is not true, however, because one cannot DISprove the existence of anything. Prove I don't have invisible pink unicorn in my garage. You can't, therefore I must have one? God works on the same principle - I can't disprove he exists, so he must exist? Ludicrous~! PROVE HIM!

No matter how many times we nonbelievers show that there is literally *ZERO* objective evidence for god, though, theists will always find another excuse to say 'Oh yes he does'. The fact is, there is no rational reason for a theist to hold that position; if the theist admits this then fine, I can live with that. But when he starts trying to pawn off their delusion as reality, I get ticked.

Eric H

Hi Corona688
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It takes NO belief at all to say that GODS DO NOT EXIST[B]



I would say the opposite, because God might exist, you do not know for sure, so you can only believe he does not exist.


peace

Eric