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Old 09-25-2002, 10:41 AM   #11
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It reduces the incidence of -charged particle- cosmic radiation over most of the planet and funnels them to the polar regions where they generate auroras. The magnetic fields also cause them to loose energy as they spiral along the field lines (I know, oversimplified) in the Brehmsstrahlung process, so the ones that get through are weaker. It does nothing to stop gamma rays and neutrons from pounding the top of the atmosphere, and C-14 is still produced that way and by charged particle collisions in the polar regions.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the field around Earth prevent cosmic rays from bombarding us?</strong>
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Ah! But remember, with God...ALL things are possible. Praise Allah!!
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Old 09-25-2002, 11:14 AM   #13
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Actually, the only truthful things Brian said were as follows:

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<strong>"My view of the earth is unique, even among the other young earth creationists. Most of them don't believe that the bible is literal enough to calculate an age, with confidence (6,415 (-91 / +155) years old). I think I am the only one in the whole country who has done this calculation:

<a href="http://home1.gte.net/bridavis/timeline.htm" target="_blank">http://home1.gte.net/bridavis/timeline.htm</a>
so in that respect, I guess I am a crack-pot. [nahhhhh]

I absolutely agree with you; there is no direct experiment that shows that the earth is young.

I think that is my point is that whatever one believes, you try to fit the data into that belief. I am simply trying to show that the Bible is plausible, and what you believe is your choice. [I believe in Santa Claus, and I guess it IS possible that God could have created flying reindeer....] Personally, I believe that the Bible is without error. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

I am going on too much. Thanks for your time & talk to you later; Brian."</strong>

I just can't believe he's a Canuuck , I thought they were all sensible......
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Old 09-25-2002, 11:32 AM   #14
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I just can't believe he's a Canuuck , I thought they were all sensible......
I believe that he is a Yank, it is tgamble who is a Canuck. That being said, there are a few creationists up here (but much more rare than south of the border).

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Old 09-25-2002, 11:36 AM   #15
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I just can't believe he's a Canuuck , I thought they were all sensible......</strong>
Nah, Just the newfies.
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Radiometric Dating is accurate, but after the flood, there was no Carbon 14 in the Atmosphere, so any fossil dug up from the flood will date very old.
Wrong. Tree-ring chronologies provide a direct record of atmospheric 14C concentration that extends back to about 10,000BCE, and shows that the concentration has not changed significantly during that time (e.g. Becker, 1993; Kromer and Becker, 1993). The varved sediment chronology of Kitagawa and van der Plicht (1998) extends this record of 14C back to 45,000 yr BP. So, again, there is a direct record of atmospheric 14C concentration provided by these data, jabbing a thumb in the eye of such speculation. See also: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/quat.htm" target="_blank">Paleoclimate Records and Young-Earthism</a>

Becker, B., 1993. A 11,000-year German Oak and Pine dendrochronology for radiocarbon calibration: Radiocarbon 35:201-213.

Kitagawa, H., and van der Plicht, J., 1998. Atmospheric Radiocarbon Calibration to 45,000 yr B.P.: Late Glacial Fluctuations and Cosmogenic Isotope Production, Science 279 (5354): 1187- 1190.

Kromer, B., and Becker, B., 1993, German Oak and Pine 14C calibration, 7200 BC - 9400 BC: Radiocarbon 35:125-135.



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This is because of a powerful magnetic field around the earth which stopped penetration of any cosmic rays
On the contrary, YECs seem to agree that the geomagnetic field was much, much stronger before the flood than it is now (how much stronger depending on the supposed GMF decay half-life)! Thus, 14C production rates by cosmic rays before the flood would have been much lower than the present production rates, due to the greater geomagnetic shielding effect. See also the section on production rates on this page: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/tcn.htm" target="_blank">Cosmogenic Exposure Dating and the Age of the Earth</a>

And again, the speculation is rendered moot because the evolution of the geomagnetic field strength over time is recorded in both sedimentary and igneous proxies -- such as the alignment of plagioclase crystals in basalt. Analyses of these proxy records show the average strength of the geomagnetic field has remained relatively constant from the Archean to the recent, within about a factor of 2. See, for example:

M.T. Juarez and L. Tauxe, The intensity of the time-averaged geomagnetic field: the last 5 Myr, Earth and Planetary Science Letters 175 (3-4) (2000) pp. 169-180

Jacques Brassart, Emmanuel Tric, Jean-Pierre Valet and E. Herrero-Bervera Absolute paleointensity between 60 and 400 ka from the Kohala Mountain (Hawaii) Earth and Planetary Science Letters, 148 (1-2) (1997) pp. 141-156.

Ikuro Sumita, Tadahiro Hatakeyama, Arata Yoshihara and Yozo Hamano, Paleomagnetism of late Archean rocks of Hamersley basin, Western Australia and the paleointensity at early Proterozoic, Physics of the Earth and Planetary Interiors 128 (1-4) (2001) pp. 223-241

Arata Yoshihara and Yozo Hamano, Intensity of the Earth's magnetic field in late Archean obtained from diabase dikes of the Slave Province, Canada, Physics of the Earth and Planetary Interiors 117 (1-4) (2000) pp. 295-307



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Just some interesting and fun comparisons of time lines when someone claims that the entire planet was covered with water. Strange how these other cultures failed to notice or make historical records of this difficult to ignore event. I wonder how Brian would account for that?

<a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/time/timeline.htm" target="_blank">http://www.sacred-texts.com/time/timeline.htm</a>

<a href="http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d10/asb/lost_tribes/timeline.html" target="_blank">http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d10/asb/lost_tribes/timeline.html</a>
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<strong>There is no 5th fundamental force.</strong>
Don't bet on it. This guy isn't the one who'll find it, but among those who might no one is prepared to put money on it one way or the other.
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<strong>Just some interesting and fun comparisons of time lines when someone claims that the entire planet was covered with water. Strange how these other cultures failed to notice or make historical records of this difficult to ignore event. I wonder how Brian would account for that?

<a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/time/timeline.htm" target="_blank">http://www.sacred-texts.com/time/timeline.htm</a>

<a href="http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d10/asb/lost_tribes/timeline.html" target="_blank">http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d10/asb/lost_tribes/timeline.html</a></strong>
Fabrications of the evilutionists to descredit the bible. Just more evidence of Christian persecution. blah blah blah.
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patrick, mind if I use that material in replies to him? Giving you full credit of coures.

Through you being an evil atheist evilutionist and all, it might backfire.

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